"Friends don't let Friends Bridge Networks!" ARG! LOL ----------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS"
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 PM To: [email protected]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) Just curious - what routerboards are you using? Are you bridging vlans across the link? Randy Scott Carullo wrote: > I've been using for bridging with the N hardware without issue (knock > knock) > > Not sure about dual radio setup options using MPLS/VPLS though... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> From: "Randy Cosby" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:18 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) >> >> Anyone else had a chance to play with MPLS much on the mikrotiks? >> >> Having read the wiki article* about using MPLS to bridge two networks >> (instead of WDS or EoIP) I have tried it on a new link I put up. So far >> > > >> so good. I think I need to play with the MTU settings a bit more to >> optimize it. What I'm wondering is if Mikrotik MPLS can be used as a >> load balancing method on dual radios, where OSPF routing may not be >> appropriate. >> >> http://www.nil.com/ipcorner/LoadSharingTE explores a couple load >> balancing approaches, including MPLS on Cisco. Anyone confident enough >> in their MPLS skills to try to make this work on Mikrotik wireless >> links? Seems like it could combine benefits of the ospf method with >> transparent bridging. >> >> Randy >> >> * Wiki link: >> >> > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Transparently_Bridge_two_Networks_using_MP LS > >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Good for weeks or months. Terrible for a long term link. >>> >>> Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get >>> > it > >>> going yourself. Well worth it. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Robert West >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> >>> >>>> Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've read >>>> > I'll > >>>> pass on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> > On > >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for >>>>> >>>>> >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution >>>>> > they > >>>>> had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at >>>>> > times > >>>>> although I never tried it for myself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> > On > >>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>> >>>>> I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. >>>>> >>>>> Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. >>>>> > Personally > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> done >>>> >>>> >>>>> with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and >>>>> > four > >>>>> bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>> > however > >>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some >>>>>> > lockups > >>>>>> while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the >>>>>> conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or >>>>>> Static-Routed link is well documented. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>> >>>>>> So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just >>>>>> > a > >>>>>> coincidentally solved by changing the config..? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> documented, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and >>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>> happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and >>>>>>> > reliable > >>>>>>> link! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it >>>>>>> > anymore, > >>>>>>> MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major >>>>>>> > concern. > >>>>>>> I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's >>>>>>> 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 >>>>>>> (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and >>>>>>> > you'll > >>>>>>> get that .999%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping >>>>>>>> > eye > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> it at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a distance... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz >>>>>>>> > channel. > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear >>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> performer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? >>>>>>>> > Depends > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> years >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit >>>>>>>> > more > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> depends >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> how & where its installed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful >>>>>>>> > lot > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> more for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios >>>>>>>> > on > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> side and link them together using on of many different ways for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> redundancy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one >>>>>>>> > more... > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can >>>>>>>> > part > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the >>>>>>>>> > original > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> question! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. >>>>>>>>> > 20 > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> megs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> both ways will do just fine for now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Something >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> like >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> using >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or >>>>>>>>> > something > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> too >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards >>>>>>>>>>> > have > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>>>>>>>>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> board >>>>>>>>>>> wireless. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in >>>>>>>>>> > radio. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RB411 does not. 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