I never got that t-shirt. ;-)
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Burgess" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:08 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) > "Friends don't let Friends Bridge Networks!" ARG! LOL > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 PM > To: [email protected]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) > > Just curious - what routerboards are you using? Are you bridging vlans > across the link? > > Randy > > > Scott Carullo wrote: >> I've been using for bridging with the N hardware without issue (knock >> knock) >> >> Not sure about dual radio setup options using MPLS/VPLS though... >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >>> From: "Randy Cosby" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:18 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) >>> >>> Anyone else had a chance to play with MPLS much on the mikrotiks? >>> >>> Having read the wiki article* about using MPLS to bridge two networks > >>> (instead of WDS or EoIP) I have tried it on a new link I put up. So > far >>> >> >> >>> so good. I think I need to play with the MTU settings a bit more to >>> optimize it. What I'm wondering is if Mikrotik MPLS can be used as a > >>> load balancing method on dual radios, where OSPF routing may not be >>> appropriate. >>> >>> http://www.nil.com/ipcorner/LoadSharingTE explores a couple load >>> balancing approaches, including MPLS on Cisco. Anyone confident > enough >>> in their MPLS skills to try to make this work on Mikrotik wireless >>> links? Seems like it could combine benefits of the ospf method with >>> transparent bridging. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> * Wiki link: >>> >>> >> > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Transparently_Bridge_two_Networks_using_MP > LS >> >>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Good for weeks or months. Terrible for a long term link. >>>> >>>> Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and > get >>>> >> it >> >>>> going yourself. Well worth it. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > however >>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Robert West >>>> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've > read >>>>> >> I'll >> >>>>> pass on it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> >> On >> >>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it > for >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> myself. >>>>> >>>>> What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > however >>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The > solution >>>>>> >> they >> >>>>>> had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face > at >>>>>> >> times >> >>>>>> although I never tried it for myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> >> On >> >>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>> >>>>>> I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. >>>>>> >>>>>> Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. >>>>>> >> Personally >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and >>>>>> >> four >> >>>>>> bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>> >> however >> >>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some >>>>>>> >> lockups >> >>>>>>> while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the >>>>>>> conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or >>>>>>> Static-Routed link is well documented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were > just >>>>>>> >> a >> >>>>>>> coincidentally solved by changing the config..? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> documented, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and > >>>>>>>> >> be >> >>>>>>>> happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and >>>>>>>> >> reliable >> >>>>>>>> link! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it >>>>>>>> >> anymore, >> >>>>>>>> MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major >>>>>>>> >> concern. >> >>>>>>>> I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios > (that's >>>>>>>> 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the > 532/333 >>>>>>>> (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and >>>>>>>> >> you'll >> >>>>>>>> get that .999%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping >>>>>>>>> >> eye >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> it at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a distance... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for >>>>>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz >>>>>>>>> >> channel. >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the > gear >>>>>>>>> >> for >> >>>>>>>>> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> performer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? >>>>>>>>> >> Depends >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for > many >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit >>>>>>>>> >> more >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> depends >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> how & where its installed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful >>>>>>>>> >> lot >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> more for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> your money with this solution. You could even put in two > radios >>>>>>>>> >> on >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> side and link them together using on of many different ways for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> redundancy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for > that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most > >>>>>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one >>>>>>>>> >> more... >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can > >>>>>>>>> >> part >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>>>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>>>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the >>>>>>>>>> >> original >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> question! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul > solution. >>>>>>>>>> >> 20 >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> megs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> both ways will do just fine for now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Something >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I > REALLY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> using >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or >>>>>>>>>> >> something >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards >>>>>>>>>>>> >> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FCC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>>>>>>>>>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> board >>>>>>>>>>>> wireless. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in >>>>>>>>>>> >> radio. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RB411 does not. 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