Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh

http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche...  in the 
right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche

is 35x more expensive.


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From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

> Tom
>
> ROTFL
>
> You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e
>
> That's like comparing a Yugo  with a Porsche
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is
>> here for
>> the long haul.
>>> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto
>>> products
>> on their way.
>>
>> No problem with the $350 CPE level.
>>
>> But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO.
>>
>> The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is
>> not
>> that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very
>> insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity.
>> Its all
>> opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more
>> antennas,
>> etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their
>> legacy
>> components were when they were designed).
>>
>> I'd also argue that RF speed/price  is similar to Computer CPU speed/
>> price
>> concepts.  50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was
>> to us 5
>> years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of
>> 10mbps 5
>> years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology.
>> This is
>> from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as
>> well as
>> technology advancement.
>>
>> I'd pose the same arguements....
>>
>> Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500.   Paying 35x more for an AP is a
>> tough
>> call.
>>
>> Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply
>> because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise,
>> before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from
>> calling
>> themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs.
>>
>> But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage
>> line AP
>> cost in order to make a big splash in the market.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>
>>
>>> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen
>>> Moto
>>> give
>>> pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way
>>> off
>>> the
>>> mark.  I hope it's right for Moto sake :-)
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> dan...@3-db.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>>
>>> Soon as in q1 or q2
>>>
>>> IIRC
>>> $350~ SM
>>> $3500~ AP
>>>
>>> Specs are in the website under 320 series
>>>
>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi"
>>> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> moto
>>>>
>>>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean
>>>> they are
>>>> talking about comming out with?
>>>>
>>>> In WISP time, there is a big difference.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at
>>>> current
>>>> Canopy level price points.
>>>> But that is an if.
>>>>
>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Less?
>>>>>
>>>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using
>>>>> mimo
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency,
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards,
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick Leary
>>>>>> Aperto Networks
>>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band,
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear
>>>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban
>>>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway
>>>>>> device. If any dealers out there would like to chime in or hit me
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> list I would appreciate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Michael Baird
>>>>>>
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