I read the Moto 802.16e MIMO spec.  I found it interesting that receive 
sensitivy for QAM64 was -89.  That is awesome, compared to wifi OFDM of 
about -68.
Doesn't help with the noise floor SNR requirements though. I also found it 
insightful that the 802.16e model AUTO shifted from MIMO A to B.  Its uses 
Dual Pol methodology.
(A = same data send on each pol for higher receive  signal and NLOS 
penetration, B = different data sent on each pol for double throughput, but 
no link budget improvement)

On the 430 5.8Ghz OFDM line, I had heard that it was going to be limited to 
integrated antenna CPE and Verticle Pol only. Is that true? Or will it have 
an external antenna CPE option?
I know a Beehive can be put on the 10dbi ant to make it higher, but it would 
still be discouraging if product prevented from using high end parabolic 
dishes.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear


> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto 
> give
> pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off 
> the
> mark.  I hope it's right for Moto sake :-)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> dan...@3-db.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>
> Soon as in q1 or q2
>
> IIRC
> $350~ SM
> $3500~ AP
>
> Specs are in the website under 320 series
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> moto
>>
>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean
>> they are
>> talking about comming out with?
>>
>> In WISP time, there is a big difference.
>>
>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at
>> current
>> Canopy level price points.
>> But that is an if.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>
>>
>>> Less?
>>>
>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo
>>>
>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)?
>>>>
>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less
>>>> throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get
>>>> any
>>>> hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards,
>>>> since
>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Leary
>>>> Aperto Networks
>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>>>
>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band,
>>>> our
>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear
>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban
>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if
>>>> possible
>>>> with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway
>>>> device. If any dealers out there would like to chime in or hit me
>>>> off
>>>> list I would appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Michael Baird
>>>>
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