Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper?
Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini [email protected] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Tom > > ROTFL > > You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e > > That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche > > Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > > On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is >> here for the long haul. >>> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto >>> products >> on their way. >> >> No problem with the $350 CPE level. >> >> But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. >> >> The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is >> not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, >> very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher >> capacity. >> Its all >> opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more >> antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today >> than their legacy components were when they were designed). >> >> I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ >> price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps >> was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the >> cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the >> new technology. >> This is >> from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as >> well as technology advancement. >> >> I'd pose the same arguements.... >> >> Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a >> tough >> call. >> >> Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply >> because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, >> before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from >> calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. >> >> But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage >> line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> >>> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen >>> Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release >>> and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>> >>> Soon as in q1 or q2 >>> >>> IIRC >>> $350~ SM >>> $3500~ AP >>> >>> Specs are in the website under 320 series >>> >>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>> >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> moto >>>> >>>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean >>>> they are talking about comming out with? >>>> >>>> In WISP time, there is a big difference. >>>> >>>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at >>>> current Canopy level price points. >>>> But that is an if. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Less? >>>>> >>>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using >>>>> mimo >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? >>>>>> >>>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, >>>>>> less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you >>>>>> won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB >>>>>> dongles or PC cards, >>>>>> since >>>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Baird >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>>> >>>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band, >>>>>> our >>>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear >>>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban >>>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if >>>>>> possible with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an >>>>>> external gateway device. 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