EXACTLY! Why would new NTIA backhaul be cheaper? People always charge what the market will bare, build cost has nothing to do with it, when there is no competitions to force better pricing. Its a shame NTIA programs were designed to fund monopoly bandwidth build-out into new communities. The only thing that changes is who gets to be the monopoly entity. And even if it was free interconnection, who pays to get transport to one of the interconnection points? I would argue that transport cost would be just as high as buying transit.
I personally think the NTIA projects will only accomplish a few goals in the short term....1) it sent a warning to scare the Large Incumbants that they'd be wise to try a bit harder. 2) Get Government venues free broadband from reoccuring perspective, if you ignore the Tax dollar investment. 3) Get bandwdith to an area that really didn't have it before, which is a benefit, even if not at a low price. Even the non-profits, I just dont see any motive for them to lower price to anyone. If a player wasn't involved in the Non-profit at grant writing time for the proposal, without investment contributed, I just dont see how they will be given a free ride to get benefit. This is considering that the Non-profits are made up of board that are ISP competitors. Sure there will be some competitive pressure, now having two carriers in town instead of one, but that on its own probably wont be enough for short term benefit, in my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which applications I'm familiar with. Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Citations needed? > > I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about > middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. > > If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at > competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel > that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing > infestructure? > Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 > To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have > at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile > done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a > lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant > fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality > that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, > the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile > providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) mostly > already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on where > service is needed for last mile access. > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > >> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle >> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood >> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >> >> Justin Wilson wrote: >>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have >>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow >>> them >>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>> capacity >>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk >>> you >>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if >>> you >>> have access to such things. >>> >>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>> had >>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg >>> you >>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>> >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> Justin >>> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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