What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies.
If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please talk only for Aperto, not for the marketplace. Rubens On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: > Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows > someone to source .16e CPE from any number of "Cheap asian CPEs." That is one > of the most 180 degrees wrong myths. > > The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its > own CPE precisely because the interoperability hype is total bull. > > What has happened is that unknowledgable people have confused the WiMAX > Forum's efforts re interoperability in 2.5 GHz (limited as even that is) with > it being somehow relative to other frequencies like quasi-licensed 3.65 GHz. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal > > What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make them > good products. > The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do MIMO > and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher CAPEX for > a small 802.16e deployment until they came along. > > Being 16e means you can have 10 MHz channels (best there is in the WiMAX > world before 20 MHz 16m), MIMO, beamforming and can buy all those cheap asian > CPEs instead of the vendor lock-in that happens in 16d. > > http://www.purewavenetworks.com > > > > Rubens > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: >> 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >> >> Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More >> complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >> >>> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but >>> again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this >> to >>> be especially true in more rural deployments. >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Aperto Networks >>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>> >>> Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree >>>> penetration. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base >>>>> station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better >>>>> uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports >>>>> about the Moto 320 so far. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>> >>>>> I think the new motorola is mimo. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto >> Networks >>> >>>>>>> are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the >>>>>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So >>>>>>> Aperto Networks -- the >>>>>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 >> and >>> >>>>>>> 5 >>>>> >>>>>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) >>>>>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective >>>>>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band >> and >>>>>>> 17 dbi integrated >>>>>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and >>>>>>> 3.65 GHz >>>>>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs >> and >>> >>>>>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, >>>>>>> same price. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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