My point stands Ruben; thanks for making it for me further. You are referring to a licensed frequency of 3.5 GHz. I am referring to quasi (really unlicensed from a practical standpoint) 3.65 GHz.
I have been around the block a very long time in this business. The rude fact is that the big companies don't care about this small (from a global perspective) U.S. niche band of 3.65 GHz enough to put any money and resources into interoperability. It is not like globally accepted (U.S. not withstanding) licensed 3.5 GHz (which is still a tiny market relative to Wi-Fi) and the even smaller licensed 2.5 GHz in the U.S. (or 2.3 GHz WiBRO in South Korea). I am well compentent and authoritative enough to speak on this industry far beyond the narrow confines of my company. And as I have been doing since Dec 1999 when I first hit the lists, I will call BS and/or clarify market misunderstanding when I see it. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies. If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please talk only for Aperto, not for the marketplace. Rubens On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: > Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows > someone to source .16e CPE from any number of "Cheap asian CPEs." That is one > of the most 180 degrees wrong myths. > > The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its > own CPE precisely because the interoperability hype is total bull. > > What has happened is that unknowledgable people have confused the WiMAX > Forum's efforts re interoperability in 2.5 GHz (limited as even that is) with > it being somehow relative to other frequencies like quasi-licensed 3.65 GHz. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal > > What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make them > good products. > The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do MIMO > and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher CAPEX for > a small 802.16e deployment until they came along. > > Being 16e means you can have 10 MHz channels (best there is in the WiMAX > world before 20 MHz 16m), MIMO, beamforming and can buy all those cheap asian > CPEs instead of the vendor lock-in that happens in 16d. > > http://www.purewavenetworks.com > > > > Rubens > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: >> 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >> >> Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. >> More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >> >>> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but >>> again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this >> to >>> be especially true in more rural deployments. >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Aperto Networks >>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>> >>> Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree >>>> penetration. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base >>>>> station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better >>>>> uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports >>>>> about the Moto 320 so far. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>> >>>>> I think the new motorola is mimo. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto >> Networks >>> >>>>>>> are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the >>>>>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So >>>>>>> Aperto Networks -- the >>>>>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 >> and >>> >>>>>>> 5 >>>>> >>>>>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) >>>>>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective >>>>>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band >> and >>>>>>> 17 dbi integrated >>>>>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and >>>>>>> 3.65 GHz >>>>>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs >> and >>> >>>>>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, >>>>>>> same price. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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