For what it is worth, it looks like the issue of liability and disclosure of private information is a concern to ISPs as they are faced with parent/child relations. Maybe an effective solution to this matter would be to modify your terms-of-service to indicate that (1) accounts may not be opened by minors - i.e. parental consent is required; (2) accounts for which a parent and/or guardian has authorized use by a minor are subject to monitoring and/or disclosure of any account activity to the authorizing parent and/or guardian.
It seems to me that such language would open the door for an ISP to turn over email to the parent upon request or even put a packet sniffer in place and pull passwords for places such as Facebook, MySpace, or Gmail. I know that this all sounds pretty big-brother like and I don't encourage active monitoring of customer activities. It's a fine line we walk between being supportive and being intrusive. - Larry Yunker -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom & pop like a company, the more likely they are to assist others (in pretty much all areas). On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: > If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would > try to help you out as much as I could. > > But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable > than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers..... > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <jree...@18-30chat.net> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids > > > My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and > just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed > access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He > does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best > parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be > trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring > a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are > key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's > to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your > lawyer. If your child has access to these services from > another location then I would assume access from there will or has > been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be > able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way > back machine and google cache can often have copies of > peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your > site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers > tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to > avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter > head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal > action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best > source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital > children. > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer > <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email >> addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, >> facebook etc. sites. >> >> If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. >> >> If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can >> delete things from. >> >> I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that >> might >> bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the >> stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. >> >> Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email >> address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally >> found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd >> been >> saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I >> got >> the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know >> that his zune, a video player!!!! would ALSO allow him to get on the net >> and >> work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) >> >> So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the >> deleted >> information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had >> no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden >> from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. >> >> They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However >> they flatly refused to provide me with any information!!!!! They had NO >> proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was >> over >> 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account >> information! "go get it from your teen" is basically what I was told. >> >> WTF is this??????? Absolutly amazing. >> >> So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids >> these >> days? >> >> thanks >> marlon >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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