I agree that different revisions/hardware versions can make all the difference. The Seagate 1.5TB drives were terrible out of the gates but since then the product has greatly improved and we employ several with no trouble. We knew going into purchasing them that we needed to get a certain fw version, etc so it took some research. It's a shame it came to where you had to specifically seek out certain revisions of a series, but it's the similar to researching/finding the right firmware/software for your needs, too.
The same goes for Microsoft's Xbox 360 -- it's a great product, but for the, what, first two years? the failure rate on those was astronomical. Finally the Falcon and Jasper revisions made it 'safe' to buy one. In a perfect world a product would be released and rock solid for its intended lifetime but that just simply isn't the case for a myriad of factors. On 4/20/2010 11:47, Adam Kennedy wrote: > You mean how Chevrolet built the various models of Malibu that sucked, but > the one with the v8 was fine? Yep, I would buy the v8 and avoid the bad > sub-models of Malibu. > > -- > Adam Kennedy > Network Engineer > Omnicity, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:37 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > Well if some 7200.11 drives are bad I don't have the time to pick and > choose between revs and serial numbers. > > Seagate screwed me I'm finding a different company that makes good a product. > > Would you buy a Toyota Camry if some of them were not built to spec? > > On 4/20/10, Tom DeReggi<wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: > >> In all fairness.... >> >> It not appropriate to single out a HDD by a broad part number like 7200.11. >> That part number alone would likely have many revs which would slightly >> differ, and each firmware would could have significantly different >> compatibility issues. >> >> The Seagate Barracuda has always been a respected and high quality drive >> brand. But just like any product can have a bad batch or idiosyncracies in >> this Complex PC world. >> Specifically note that 7200.11 series support NCQ, a feature that improves >> both performance and drive life, rarely found in a desktop HDD. Yes, the >> 7200.11 is specifiied as a "DESKTOP Class" drive NOT a "SERVER Class" RAID >> drive, so it should used under such expections and applications. Although >> it is specified for Desktop RAID. >> >> However, for drives that fail in a raid, I rarely blaim HDDs themselves for >> the failure of raid. I'd argue that Desktop raid solutions are pretty much >> Crap, and the ones based on PRomise chipsets really cant be relied on for >> anything important. I cant count how many raid solutions we've been exposed >> to that failed killing more than 1 drive in the raid at once, resulting in >> data loss. (and Not necessarilly with Seagate drives, we also use WD >> heavilly). For this reason, we almost always now will chose basic mirroring >> over complex Raid, for all applications, expect extreme cases that really >> need a large amount of capacity, and for those applications we often mirror >> the raid sets. They just dont make quality Raid controllers like they used >> to do in the SCSI days. >> >> We have been very successful with Seagate Barracudas in our mirrored >> systems. We usually will use Linux of Microsoft native Software mirroring, >> not hardware based. >> >> So if you had a bad batch of Seagate, I dont doubt that, but we should not >> condemn the product line in general, and if anything, we shoudl praise >> Seagate for having a RMA department that is so easy to work with and willing >> to replace drives with no questions asked. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG"<rgunder...@gmail.com> >> To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> >> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West<robert.w...@just-micro.com> >> wrote: >> >>> FYI. >>> >>> >>> >>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>> terabyte) >>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been >>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup >>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 can be >>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>> >>> >>> >>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time >>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>> >>> >>> >>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my >>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought >>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed >>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>> eventually >>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if >>> installed at the same time. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced >>> that one as well with no questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert West >>> >>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>> >>> 740-335-7020 >>> >>> >>> >>> Logo5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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