How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc.
I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a "distributor". ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 > years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I > have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. > Get a good distributor like ASI . > > Steve > > On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> wrote: >> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck >> with >> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor >> and >> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western >> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my >> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >> >> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you >> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking >> for >> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" or >> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >> cheapy >> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested >> before leaving the factory. >> >> -- >> Adam Kennedy >> Network Engineer >> Omnicity, Inc. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a let >> down. Western Digital is the best. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >>> wrote: >>>> FYI. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>> terabyte) >>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have >>>> been >>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>> backup >>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 can be >>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same >>>> time >>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as >>>> my >>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought >>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>> flashed >>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>> eventually >>>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time >>>> if >>>> installed at the same time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they >>>> replaced >>>> that one as well with no questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert West >>>> >>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>>> >>>> 740-335-7020 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Logo5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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