LOL...too funny! That's a keeper! Best,
Brad -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:45 AM To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" Out of all the things I've seen on this list, that last line was a total winner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" >A friend just forwarded this to me: > > Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "pick > up > your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the > promised land." > > Nearly 75 years agao, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovel, sit on your > asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land." > > Now, our Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed our asses, raised the > price > of camels, and mortgaged the promised land! > > Furthermore, I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care > Plans, > the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement > funds, etc. I called Lifeline, the suicide help line. Got a call center > in > Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. > > They all got excited and asked me if I could drive a truck. > > Tom S. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" > > >>I think he's trying to feed us ;) >> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: >>> Please don't feed the MDK troll. >>> >>> MDK wrote: >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <markl...@uwol.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:38 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly >>> >>> >>> Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the >>> other >>> lists for people who share your views and want to hear it. >>> >>> >>> Company Man. >>> It's a term used at times to describe someone who is engaged by the top >>> management to work among the producers, to make sure that nobody >>> rebelled, >>> everyone followed policy, and to give management notice if anyone tended >>> to >>> be outspoken or lead complaining about things ythat were wrong. Their >>> job >>> was to help squelch or otherwise shut down disagreement with the top >>> brass. >>> Often spies for management, to find out who to get rid of. Generally a >>> derogative term. Used deliberately by me. >>> Let's imagine, if you will, that instead of being a nation, we're just a >>> big >>> company. After all, the job of politics is little more than to force >>> people to behave certain ways, spend the money they earn for what the >>> top >>> brass want. >>> Today, almost 3 of every 10 dollars of income is spent by the >>> administrations. That is, management consumes, without investing a >>> penny >>> in productivity, almost 1/3 of all the company revenues. This year, >>> the >>> company will spend almost twice what it takes in in revenues. The rest >>> will be borrowed in the name of the employees. Every management >>> function >>> of the central office is duplicated by the state offices. They do not >>> agree on the rule in the books that you must follow. Almost every >>> management function of the state administration is duplicated at the >>> central >>> office, as well. Again, the rules are not the same. And in spite of >>> all >>> that spending, NOTHING IS INVESTED IN IMPROVING PRODUCTIVITY. Nor has >>> it >>> been in at least a couple decades. >>> Despite the fact that nobody in the "main office" produces anything, has >>> any >>> idea how to do anything the company does, and the hiring policy requires >>> neither experience nor knowledge of what is produced, the main office >>> has >>> produced so many rules about how to run it, that their office building >>> that >>> houses JUST THE PRINTOUTS was in danger of collapsing under the weight. >>> And that's just the paperwork about former employee medical benefits. ( >>> google for story of VA offices threatened by the sheer weight of case >>> files >>> backlogged) >>> The main office spends about 1 of every 3 dollars that the company takes >>> in, >>> and it controls additionally about 2 of every 10 dollars the company >>> brings >>> in, but it does so simply by requiring others to spend it - none of >>> which >>> is >>> invested in productivity - almost all is spent to PREVENT productivity. >>> In addition to that, the main office confiscates 17% of every employee's >>> paycheck to spend, and promises that when you retire, it'll pay it back >>> to >>> you... in payments - if you live long enough. Further, it takes >>> anywhere >>> from 0 to 40% of everything you have left after that in your paycheck, >>> to >>> spend for you. With this confiscated money it will do such valuable >>> things as buy viagra for people in jail for committing sexual offenses >>> and >>> study why wolves eat sheep. >>> The main office determines, by vote, which groups of people it takes >>> what >>> percentage from. It has figured out that so long as at least half of >>> the >>> employees don't get money confiscated, the majority will be happy with >>> benefits it gives away, having taken it from the minority of employees. >>> The company is not well off, having accumulated debt and IOU statements >>> amounting to approximately a quarter million dollars per person, for >>> each >>> family represented by an employee. The families ARE responsible for >>> future >>> repayment of this debt, and the main office continues to borrow and >>> write >>> IOU's amounting to 10's of thousands of dollars per family member each >>> year. >>> But, they promise, that it won't be anyone complaining who'll have to >>> pay >>> the debt back, they'll take it from "someone else". >>> By the time you add up all the people who are hired in the main office, >>> and >>> all the other offices, plus the various contracted out services they >>> hire, >>> there are approximately 2 people who are management or hired by >>> management >>> to do stuff for management, out of every 5 people in the company. >>> To summarize, this company has indebted every employee's family member >>> by >>> at least 1/4 of a million dollars. The average wage earned by an >>> employee >>> not in management is about 40,000. Those in management average almost >>> double that. Yet, nobody in management is liable for a single dollar >>> of >>> company debt, their retirement and retirement benefits are fully secured >>> and >>> paid for. The employees on the other hand, are simply given company >>> IOU's >>> equal to less than minimum wage as a retirement plan, and the company >>> has >>> plans to confiscate all the employee's own retirement savings and >>> replace >>> it >>> with more IOU's. Anyone who is paid by the piece is fined for excess >>> production, overtime is fined, even excess contributions to your own >>> retirement are fined, with the main office collecting all the fines. >>> The >>> company just took over all the decisions about health care, and have >>> started >>> the process to confiscate approximately 30% of the average take-home pay >>> to >>> go to the central office. In return, they promise you'll get whatever >>> you >>> need whenver you need it. Unless the company can't pay for it, of >>> course. >>> But, that'll never happen, of course. Or, so they promise. It sparked >>> outrage, so they promised to take the money from only 30% of the >>> employees, >>> to give to the other 70. So long as a majority don't complain to loud, >>> the polls the company takes will show great satisfaction. >>> Now, each time one of the employees complains that this company is >>> poorly >>> run, is astonishingly incompetently managed, or otherwise comments what >>> we >>> ALL know is dead on true about the gross incompetence and generalized >>> corruption that permeates the company, along come the "company men" to >>> shush >>> us up, threaten us with social stigmatism, or even some harsh physical >>> or >>> other vengeance. >>> The company, mind you, has a charter. A contract, built into the >>> bylaws, >>> that govern what the main office does, what it can do, what it can't do, >>> and >>> it established the company on the notion that the company would provide >>> direction, protection, and little else, and that the employees would and >>> could profit from their own initiative. Heck, the main office was to be >>> so >>> small it was to be funded merely by a slight markup on products sold to >>> other companies. The employees were to keep everything they earned, >>> except >>> for what they themselves voted on to fund the state, regional and local >>> offices. And, the decisions about investment in productivity were made >>> directly by the employees themselves. For nearly 200 years the >>> company, >>> and it's employees flourished and advanced at a rate that astounded the >>> entire world. And then, during some hard times, some guys threw away >>> the >>> rulebook. Now it's all but bankrupt, the employees themselves are also >>> bankrupt from the debt the company has obligated them to, including the >>> IOU's that, again, are drawn and written on the personal fortunes of the >>> present and future employees. Welcome to 2010. >>> As I read your commentary directed toward me, I realized that I was >>> supposed >>> to be intimidated, and that I was supposed to feel shamed by your >>> superior >>> intellect and your "reasonable" positions. Oh, no. Hell NO! Not >>> only >>> am I NOT radical in the slightest, I'm merely pointing out the most >>> simplistic, obvious, and most fundamental of the gross idiocy that's >>> come >>> to >>> be. You're a great "company man". You definitely have sold your >>> soul >>> to parrot the company line. But hell, not a business man with two >>> working >>> brain cells is left who could be convinced that what you're defending is >>> anything but colossal stupidity. I'm not radical, I'm just simply >>> sensible. I'm sorry you are so threatened by truth, by something that >>> withstands the test of time and every intellectual measure of truth. >>> We were left with a charter, with founding documents, and a set of laws >>> that >>> describe how the place (country) is supposed to work. And, they >>> followed >>> those rules well for a long time and we have been incomprehensibly >>> blessed, >>> as has the whole world, by the fact that we did follow the rules. They >>> are >>> wise, they are prudent, they are very, very well drafted. They >>> delegate >>> responsibility to the individual for almost everything, and very, very >>> little to the federal government. And, when we have deviated from >>> them, >>> we have the obvious and apparent results. So, suggesting we back to >>> how >>> things are SUPPOSED to be is "radical"? I think not. Defending how >>> things are would be "radical". But, more accurately, utterly and >>> hopelessly wrong or stupid. As, I have come to believe, ARE YOU, >>> company >>> man. Get lost. This nation needs no more of the corruption, >>> stupidity, >>> and gross incompetence that got us by pretending that those in DC were >>> wise >>> and inerrant. They weren't. And now we're all paying the damn price. >>> Between the legal debts and the contractual obligations signed on our >>> behalf, this nation has currently 74 TRILLION DOLLARS in obligations. >>> That's the debt, the "social contract" spending like Medicare and >>> Medicaid >>> and Social Security (none of which is funded, it's all just IOU's), and >>> all >>> other legal obligations combined. After Obamacare ends private medical >>> care by bankrupting the insurers and most providers, then that figure >>> will >>> likely go up by 50 to 100% overnight. >>> As businessman, I find it utterly incomprehensible that anyone in >>> business >>> would defend the monstrosity we have created for ourselves. It's time >>> to >>> undo it. And to send the "company men" packing off to the land of >>> irrelevance, on display in the Museum of Really Bad Ideas. Sure, there >>> is >>> no social club of "supporters" of such dull and boring advocacy. It >>> would seem that even the dullest of the dull, this great experiment in >>> the >>> exercise of unrestrained power has been an epic disaster. Why, then >>> are >>> so many of you utterly afraid to open your mouth, to stand on principle? >>> Why are the members of WISPA trembling in fear of the notion of having >>> WISPA >>> go to DC and say "Hey, you're way overgrown here, you need to get back >>> to >>> your proper boundaries of being a PRUDENT STEWARD, not an auctioneer of >>> public assets to to the highest bidder!"? Is it because the wording is >>> old >>> fashioned, or the notion not "hip"? >>> Or is it that you're so desperate for a few crumbs from the master's >>> table, >>> you''re willing to perpetuate the charade that they're the master and >>> we're >>> the servants, instead of being the other way around, which is THE >>> CONTRACT >>> WE HAVE WITH THEM???? Or is it that you've just grown comfortable >>> with >>> the way things are? Well, a currency collapse will definitely put the >>> lie >>> to that little bit of self delusion. Welcome to reality. Are we >>> going >>> to be responsible, or are we just going to continue letting the children >>> play with the credit cards to the family fortune? >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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