"little to do with wireless". -Jack Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl, satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint. Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced. If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not. Just my .02 -RickG
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@wispa.org> wrote: > Stuart, > > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list > and did not take any action. Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay. I have sent the article to > the WISPA accountant for further opinions. I do think it is a valid > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings. > > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though. I have seen > things get out of hand in the past. This is an open list and anyone can > join and it is publicly archived as well. We do want to maintain a > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it. If we can't > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list, > which is not something we wish to do. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules] >> >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any >> business. >> >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ? >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Rick Harnish" <rharn...@onlyinternet.net> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400 >> >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list. Please follow >> the >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >1) Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning >> then One >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA >> Lists) >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One >> Week >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists) >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then >> an >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. >> (Send >> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) >> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list >> members are >> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ >> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at >> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 >> > >> > >> > >> >Code of Ethics >> > >> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the >> highest >> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership >> in the >> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of >> >experience, stability, integrity and competence. >> > >> >ARTICLE I >> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the >> business >> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional >> >relationships. >> > >> >ARTICLE II >> > >> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our >> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all >> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and >> regulations, >> >including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form >> 477, >> >and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement >> (CALEA) >> >requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not >> fully >> >compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible >> for them >> >to do so. >> > >> >ARTICLE III >> > >> >We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the >> >dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and >> >promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. >> > >> >ARTICLE IV >> > >> >We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public >> regard and >> >confidence in our Industry. >> > >> >ARTICLE V >> > >> >In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the >> Association >> >have further pledged to: >> > >> >a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or >> otherwise to >> >either another member of the Association or to any client or >> prospective >> >client. >> > >> >b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving >> due >> >respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others. >> > >> >c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties. >> > >> >d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall >> act >> >promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are >> responsible. >> > >> >e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks >> are >> >restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the >> tenets of >> >reasonable precaution. >> > >> >f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or >> >prospective clients. >> > >> >g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association >> and >> >participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with >> respect >> >to that complaint. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM >> >To: Rick Harnish >> >Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules] >> > >> > >> > >> >Rick, >> > >> >Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" >> wireless >> >list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative >> >political posts that have little to do with wireless? >> > >> >What is our policy? >> > >> >jack >> > >> > >> > >> >-------- Original Message -------- >> > >> > >> >Subject: >> > >> >[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules >> > >> > >> >Date: >> > >> >Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700 >> > >> > >> >From: >> > >> >MDK <mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >> > >> > >> >Reply-To: >> > >> >WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> >> > >> > >> >To: >> > >> >WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> >> > >> > >> >References: >> > >> > >> <mailto:w2za66403611004280947x9079f8c4v789a36e7513e9...@mail.gmail.com> >> ><w2za66403611004280947x9079f8c4v789a36e7513e9...@mail.gmail.com> >> ><mailto:20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net> >> ><20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net> >> ><mailto:k2xa66403611004281255i1e7860f6ocbc379e5fed05...@mail.gmail.com >> > >> ><k2xa66403611004281255i1e7860f6ocbc379e5fed05...@mail.gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > >> >http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped- >> into-he >> >alth-bill/ >> > >> >It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business >> with a >> >year. >> > >> >Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck. >> Ebay >> >purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year. >> > >> >That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit". >> > >> >Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month. Call >> up the >> > >> >White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we >> quit". >> >When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will >> realize >> > >> >it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns >> business >> >and economics. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> >541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> >---- >> >WISPA Wants You! 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