Dear Jack, I apoligize if I offended you as that was not my attention. I will also apoligize in advance for the serious tone of this email but I take issues like this very seriously. So I can better understand your complaint to me let me address a few things you have said below so we can be in the same page and you might enlighten me further.
1) You said below that I quoted you out of context but how so? Your full post was directly below my post with your exact quotes. Are you saying I should have quoted your whole post again? If so, then the point would've been missed. I might be wrong but "out of context" (oops, I did it again) is when the full post is not available in the same article which it is definitely was (review below). 2) You also mention your post was in a "private email" but that was not the case. It was posted publicly on the list. So why complain to me about my comments to a "private email" when it was obviously public? If its private, then keep it private. 3) I dont know exactly what it is and I really dont care, but it appears to me you have a personal beef against Mark. I dont know Mark and dont know you either other than through the lists but your disdain for him seems to go deeper than just his "anti-government" posts. If not, then why do you take it so personal? Please know I have been on this list for over 6 years and I dont agree with your view of his posts. Furthermore, some of things you have said are not always "on topic". I am not looking to fight with you, I'm just hoping that you'll take this as constructive criticism to be more fair in your thinking. One of the things I truly enjoy about the list is because it is multi-faceted. 4) I have met and like Rick Harnish. But, IMHO, he didnt take two lemons and make lemonade. He took one lemon, (his) and added valuable information to it. With that said, isnt that what Mark was trying to do - provide information? Sure, he can come off as whining a bit but dont we all feel like that many times? I always find it funny how people can slam another person for something they did and then take credit for it. The other thing I find funny is how someone can claim what the person said is not on topic, yet I usually find support that it was on topic. Hint: General List. THE BOTTOM LINE: 1) I will follow the rules and guidelines of the list. 2) I will always call unfairness and BS when I see it. I look forward to your reply. -RickG On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Jack Unger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello RickG, > > Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. > > The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed up > with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative > information that every WISP should know. > > Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list for > that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference between > useful business-related information and personal, opinionated political > posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over and over > again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his WISP > business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political posts. I > addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-list email to > Rick Harnish. > > I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political ranting > that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however continue to speak > up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy frogwater") continue to > post content on WISPA lists that, in reality, belongs elsewhere, on a > political list. > > I also ask that in the future, you (RickG) act more responsibly by not > quoting me out of context from a private email that I sent to another so > that you can make your political points. If you can't make your > business-related point based on the non-political, business information > contained in another's post, then perhaps you need some additional practice > keeping your focus on business matters and off of political posturing. > > It is to Rick Harnish's (WISPA's President) great credit that he was willing > and able to take two "lemons" (Mark's irresponsible post and my private > email expressing concern) and make "lemonade" out of them by forwarding the > business information to WISPA's accountant and posting the accountant's > response on-list for Members and non-Members alike to benefit from. > > THE BOTTOM LINE - > > 1. I will continue to address posting abuse when it occurs on WISPA lists. > > 2. WISPA has just provided valuable business-related tax information for > WISPA Members and non-Members alike. > > Respectfully, > > Jack Unger > WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee > 818-227-4220 > > > > RickG wrote: > > "little to do with wireless". -Jack > > Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to > "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl, > satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed > relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go > to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a > WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can > be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint. > Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that > doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced. > If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in > the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the > messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not. > Just my .02 > -RickG > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Stuart, > > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list > and did not take any action. Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay. I have sent the article to > the WISPA accountant for further opinions. I do think it is a valid > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings. > > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though. I have seen > things get out of hand in the past. This is an open list and anyone can > join and it is publicly archived as well. We do want to maintain a > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it. If we can't > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list, > which is not something we wish to do. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] On > Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules] > > Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it > does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any > business. > > Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on > internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Rick Harnish" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400 > > > > The following are rules of the [email protected] list. Please follow > > > the > > > directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues. > > > > > > 1) Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning > > > then One > > > Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > 2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA > > > Lists) > > > 3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > 4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One > > > Week > > > Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > 5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then > > > an > > > Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) > 6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. > > > (Send > > > requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) > 7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list > > > members are > > > to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ > 8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at > http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 > > > > Code of Ethics > > The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the > > > highest > > > standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership > > > in the > > > Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of > experience, stability, integrity and competence. > > ARTICLE I > Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the > > > business > > > and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional > relationships. > > ARTICLE II > > We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our > industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all > wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and > > > regulations, > > > including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form > > > 477, > > > and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement > > > (CALEA) > > > requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not > > > fully > > > compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible > > > for them > > > to do so. > > ARTICLE III > > We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the > dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and > promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. > > ARTICLE IV > > We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public > > > regard and > > > confidence in our Industry. > > ARTICLE V > > In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the > > > Association > > > have further pledged to: > > a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or > > > otherwise to > > > either another member of the Association or to any client or > > > prospective > > > client. > > b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving > > > due > > > respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others. > > c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties. > > d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall > > > act > > > promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are > > > responsible. > > > e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks > > > are > > > restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the > > > tenets of > > > reasonable precaution. > > f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or > prospective clients. > > g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association > > > and > > > participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with > > > respect > > > to that complaint. > > > > > > From: Jack Unger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM > To: Rick Harnish > Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules] > > > > Rick, > > Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" > > > wireless > > > list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative > political posts that have little to do with wireless? > > What is our policy? > > jack > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: > > [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules > > > Date: > > Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700 > > > From: > > MDK <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: > > WISPA General List <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > > To: > > WISPA General List <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > > References: > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > > <[email protected]> > > > > http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped- > > > into-he > > > alth-bill/ > > It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business > > > with a > > > year. > > Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck. > > > Ebay > > > purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year. > > That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit". > > Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month. Call > > > up the > > > White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we > > > quit". > > > When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will > > > realize > > > it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns > > > business > > > and economics. > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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