Hello RickG,

Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion.

The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative information that every WISP should know.

Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-list email to Rick Harnish.

I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality, belongs elsewhere, on a political list.

I also ask that in the future, you (RickG) act more responsibly by not quoting me out of context from a private email that I sent to another so that you can make your political points. If you can't make your business-related point based on the non-political, business information contained in another's post, then perhaps you need some additional practice keeping your focus on business matters and off of political posturing.

It is to Rick Harnish's (WISPA's President) great credit that he was willing and able to take two "lemons" (Mark's irresponsible post and my private email expressing concern) and make "lemonade" out of them by forwarding the business information to WISPA's accountant and posting the accountant's response on-list for Members and non-Members alike to benefit from.

THE BOTTOM LINE -

1. I will continue to address posting abuse when it occurs on WISPA lists.

2. WISPA has just provided valuable business-related tax information for WISPA Members and non-Members alike.

Respectfully,

Jack Unger
WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee
818-227-4220



RickG wrote:
"little to do with wireless". -Jack

Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
"wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
Just my .02
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish <[email protected]> wrote:
  
Stuart,

I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.

I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
which is not something we wish to do.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

    
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
business.

Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Rick Harnish" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400

      
The following are rules of the [email protected] list.  Please follow
        
the
      
directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.





1)      Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
        
then One
      
Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
        
Lists)
      
3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
        
Week
      
Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
        
an
      
Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
        
(Send
      
requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
        
members are
      
to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3



Code of Ethics

The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
        
highest
      
standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
        
in the
      
Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
experience, stability, integrity and competence.

ARTICLE I
Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
        
business
      
and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
relationships.

ARTICLE II

We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and
        
regulations,
      
including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form
        
477,
      
and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
        
(CALEA)
      
requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not
        
fully
      
compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible
        
for them
      
to do so.

ARTICLE III

We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.

ARTICLE IV

We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public
        
regard and
      
confidence in our Industry.

ARTICLE V

In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the
        
Association
      
have further pledged to:

a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or
        
otherwise to
      
either another member of the Association or to any client or
        
prospective
      
client.

b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving
        
due
      
respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.

c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.

d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall
        
act
      
promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are
        
responsible.
      
e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks
        
are
      
restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the
        
tenets of
      
reasonable precaution.

f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
prospective clients.

g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association
        
and
      
participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with
        
respect
      
to that complaint.





From: Jack Unger [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules]



Rick,

Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general"
        
wireless
      
list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative
political posts that have little to do with wireless?

What is our policy?

jack



-------- Original Message --------


Subject:

[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules


Date:

Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700


From:

MDK  <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>


Reply-To:

WISPA General List  <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>


To:

WISPA General List  <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>


References:


        
<mailto:[email protected]>
      
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]

<[email protected]>



http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-
        
into-he
      
alth-bill/

It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business
        
with a
      
year.

Gas station.  Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.
        
Ebay
      
purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.

That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit".

Frankly, we should all just quit.   For a week.   Or a month.    Call
        
up the
      
White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we
        
quit".
      
When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will
        
realize
      
it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns
        
business
      
and economics.




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