Five bucks? TW and ATT charges fifteen bucks or more for a static around here.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: >Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to >the customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month >*grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that >static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. > >-Kurt Fankhauser > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP > > >> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let >>> me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, >>> telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port >>> map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing >>> access to anyone else. >>> >>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if >>> you are doing NAT. >>> >>> -- >>> Adam Kennedy >>> Network Engineer >>> Omnicity, Inc. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>> >>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been >>> told that it's a big security hole. >>> >>> Thoughts on that? >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>> >>> >>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>> >>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have >>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they >>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even >>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict >>> (I think it's called open?). >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark >>>> to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very >>>> picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make >>>> connections to other servers. >>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug >>>> and Play >>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing >>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that >>>> device? >>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and >>>> let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core >>>> router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys >>>> router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the >>>> double-NAT? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> WAVELINC >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ------------ >>> WISPA Wants You! 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