How long have been using the v6? Bob-
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: > >> Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. >> Or not. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of John Thomas >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >> >> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would >> find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. >> >> John >> >> Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >> >>> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to the >> >>> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* >>> and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to >> the >>> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >>> >>> -Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>> >>> >>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me >> do >>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet >> and >>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port >>>>> from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you >>>>> are doing NAT. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>> >>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told >>>>> that it's a big security hole. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>>> >>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have >>>>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they >>>>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even >>>>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict >>>>> (I think it's called open?). >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to >>>>>> you >>>>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about >>>>>> being >>>>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other >>>>>> servers. >>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and >>>>>> Play >>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing >>>>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that >>>>>> device? >>>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let >>>>>> them >>>>>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and >> then >>>>>> do >>>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does >>>>>> that >>>>>> not work because of the double-NAT? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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