True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: > Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. > Or not. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of John Thomas > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP > > And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would > find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. > > John > > Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to the > >> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* >> and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to > the >> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >> >> -Kurt Fankhauser >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >> >> >>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me > do >>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet > and >>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port >>>> from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone >>>> else. >>>> >>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you >>>> are doing NAT. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Adam Kennedy >>>> Network Engineer >>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told >>>> that it's a big security hole. >>>> >>>> Thoughts on that? >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>> >>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have >>>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they >>>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even >>>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict >>>> (I think it's called open?). >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to >>>>> you >>>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about >>>>> being >>>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other >>>>> servers. >>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and >>>>> Play >>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing >>>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that >>>>> device? >>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let >>>>> them >>>>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and > then >>>>> do >>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does >>>>> that >>>>> not work because of the double-NAT? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> WAVELINC >>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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