Sorry don't agree, nobody asked for Health care politics, Rick asked if
you were interested in a joint venture to buy insurance, political
discussion on health care doesn't belong here. Its not just my comments
I'm stating policy of WISPA as a board member. You can debate the FCC
or Legislative decisions or even tax implications directly attributable
to our industry but debate has to look for a solution not just stir or
complain, it's not productive. We have less patience for violating
WISPA policy after one of these uncontrolled unrelated to WISP
slam-fests caused us to lose something like four members last year. We
don't shy away from a good fight but it's a fight that is in the mission
statement that we follow, more spectrum, better rules for WISP's. There
are close to 400 people on the Members list, many more on the general
list, and they are busy people, its the board's responsibility to make
sure they don't want to quit the list over something not even related to
WISP business clogging their mail box. Everyone has an opinion, just
like you and I and there are tons of "Political topics" unrelated to our
trade but on our lists it's WISP related stuff. Because I am here to
find solutions I found some for you:
cmhmd.*blogs*pot.com
www.the*healthcareblog*.com/...*health*_*care*_*blog*/.../an-un*health*y-*debate*-around-wellness.htm
roomfor*debate*.*blogs*.nytimes.com/.../obamas-*health*-*care*-mistake/
*healthcaredebateblog*.com
politicalticker.*blogs*.cnn.com/.../mccain-calls-for-civility-in-*health*-*care*-*debate*/
I didn't look or read any of these links because I don't have the time
but there is the place for health care debate, your welcome.
Forbes
On 8/3/2010 4:26 PM, MDK wrote:
I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason... Health
Care IS NOW a political topic. So is broadband. So is internet network
operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing
someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so
are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives.
I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be
brought upon us. 20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was
or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely
are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes.
This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those
interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In
fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives
political.
Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer
based health care, but some of it's purely political now. Any discussion
of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a
weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even
arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to
reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the
point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss
customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do
miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by
necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical.
So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political
intrusions into our business. Might as well say that we can't express
opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's
or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant,
as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our
business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a
group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even
consideration to where that leads us.
It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant
and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a
political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be
given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the "there is
only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is "politically
correct" and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually,
that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never
challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent.
I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have
to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our
business. I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be
ideological, huh.
Sigh.....
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From: "Forbes Mercy"<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM
To: "WISPA General List"<[email protected]>;<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Rick,
Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it
was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is
now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually
degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately
cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We
consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many
discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because
someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an
advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better
rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across
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