Yes, I have heard of them. Time Warner (TW Telecom) is my upstream. We aren't paying for IP addresses, but we only have a /27 of addresses with them.
Robert West <[email protected]> wrote: >ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >Behalf Of John Thomas >Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP > >Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a >portable /19 I am going to start renting...... > >John > >Robert West <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them >>for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, >>as with everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static >>you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE >>percentage of the cost of providing service to that customer. >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >> >>I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. >> >>We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All >>customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a >>consistent public IP. >> >>NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. >> >>-- >>Blake Covarrubias >> >>On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> >>> True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let >go. >>>> Or not. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of John Thomas >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I >>>> would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" >>>>> according to the >>>> >>>>> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month >>>>> *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign >>>>> that static to >>>> the >>>>> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >>>>> >>>>> -Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would >>>>>>> let me >>>> do >>>>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, >>>>>>> telnet >>>> and >>>>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every >>>>>>> port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access >>>>>>> to anyone else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP >>>>>>> if you are doing NAT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. >>>>>>> Schafer >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been >>>>>>> told that it's a big security hole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I >>>>>>> have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial >>>>>>> 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox >>>>>>> upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove >>>>>>> even nice strict (I think it's called open?). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and >>>>>>>> bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is >>>>>>>> very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to >>>>>>>> make connections to other servers. >>>>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal >>>>>>>> Plug and Play >>>>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your >>>>>>>> doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable >>>>>>>> UPnP on that device? >>>>>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games >>>>>>>> and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the >>>>>>>> core router and >>>> then >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP >>>>>>>> enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> ------- >>>> ---- >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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