Here everyone charges for static public. Att, concert, the clec's that are left and the smaller isp's.
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:25 AM, John Thomas <jtho...@quarnet.com> wrote: > Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled > living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses > either free or $5 per month. > > Jeremie Chism <jchi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: >> >>> Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. >>> Or not. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of John Thomas >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>> >>> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would >>> find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to the >>> >>>> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* >>>> and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to >>> the >>>> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >>>> >>>> -Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> >>>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me >>> do >>>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet >>> and >>>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port >>>>>> from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone >>>>>> else. >>>>>> >>>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you >>>>>> are doing NAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>> >>>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told >>>>>> that it's a big security hole. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have >>>>>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they >>>>>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even >>>>>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict >>>>>> (I think it's called open?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other >>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and >>>>>>> Play >>>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing >>>>>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that >>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and >>> then >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> not work because of the double-NAT? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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