Those prices are crazy on the DSL, 15/month without phone line with no contract, how can any wireless provider compete. However whats going to happen when they have that many DSL subs with the crosstalk? Will their service degrade?
Also, I have been looking at the Moto PMP430 series and I hear rumors of a 2.4ghz OFDM line coming, (my prayers may be answered). These products would be equivalent to the UBNT MIMO in speeds. Im not too crazy about the UBNT plastic shell as they just seem of less quality when you stick them side by side to the Moto gear. I doubt we will be seeing SYNC on the UBNT stuff anytime soon, might even require a complete new product line. However, considering the MOTO gear has sync TODAY and the same throughput as UBNT MIMO and the moto stuff is non-MIMO, I would go with the MOTO because I can put up an Omni versus the UBNT I need a bunch of sectors. Also if the market plays like it did with the old Canopy FSK gear at least our equipment will hold re-sale value if we do have to change it down the road versus the UBNT I fear you will have a hard time finding someone to give it away too. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _____ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Well. I don't know how things are in Ohio... but in our neck of the woods, things are getting interesting. Will high light 3 points, you make your own conclusions. 1. For our area, broadband is pretty much a duopoly ..... Comcast is doing this.... http://business.comcast.com/internet/plans.aspx Comcast Resi: 1.5m x 384k $24.95/month 15meg x 3meg $42.95/month AT&T DSL Resi : . http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575 <http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575&source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO> &source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO DSL Bussiness: http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/internet_dsl_services.html U-Verse Resi : http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/internet-landing.jsp U-Verse Business http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/uverse_internet.html ATT & Comcast are now going at it with each other aggressively.. .I just ordered Naked Uverse service for 3 residential locations $24.95 each with $29activation, not install, no contract, no equipment fees, (att will provide onsite install & router).... 12 month promo... for 18meg x 1 meg service. 2. Our customers are wanting faster internet without having to pay top dollars for it..... the direction things are going in ... in most metro areas sub 10meg (asymmetric) are most likely going to be the dialup accounts of yesterday... 3. Questions for WISP's .... What technology is available on the shelf, even half baked that can be deployed in the field that can allow you to deliver competitive services to your customers ? If you don't do that..... then be prepared to be marginalized shortly... Having said that...Our past experience as a Wireline ISP has been that... 3-5 years is a petty good amount of time to get your money's worth from equipment deployed in the field.. after that much time, you have to start a technology replenishment cycle.. Based on what I know, today, UBNT has the most affordable, almost working 95%.baked, 802.11n MIMO gear available and is rapidly making improvements... I also know that there a few other folks feverishly working on getting 802.11n , MIMO radios / drivers / hardware to the market place.. So.. tomorrow is definitely going to be a brighter day for the WISP's... but you have to start laying out strategy / and planning from now... We consider ourselves fortunate, having spent over $10,000 in legacy gear (Alvarion, Trango, Moto Canoly, Staros) which was NEVER Deployed (only tested in the lab..) have choose to start our deployment with the 802.11n Gear from UBNT.. I am sure we will pay a price for learning, as we go along, but it is the only stuff that at the moment has the potential to give us a fighting chance to be able to compete and survive as a decent sized niche provider. (ohh.. did I forget to mention.. in our area.. you have to offer phone services as well...... ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 8/8/2010 7:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _____ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Hmmmm.....which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups.... Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. ----------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line <http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com> Mikrotik Training - Author of <http://www.routerosbook.com/> "Learn RouterOS" From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- WISPA Wants You! 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