I've never put a dish up half together.  I've always seen it done putting
everything together then hoisting it up.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi <[email protected]>wrote:

>  Actually not true in many cases.
> If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree.
> But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy.
>
> After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a
> fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was
> not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB.
>
> The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the
> feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home
> in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and
> make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify
> it is aligned.  Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe
> 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the
> hole.
>
> As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to
> trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad
> cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong.
>
> Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side.
>
> Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a
> removable feed.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
> *To:* WISPA General List <[email protected]>
>  *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
>
> That's not realistically possible.  You would have to be extraordinarily
> lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think
>> it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post)
>>
>> I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
>> *To:* WISPA General List <[email protected]>
>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
>>
>>  You would need more people then.  You can't align the dish without both
>> radios being powered.
>>
>> You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site.  Both install at the same
>> time and they should finish around the same time frame.  Align before coming
>> down at all.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in
>>> magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the
>>> binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then
>>> point the dish there?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>   On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>>>
>>>    Question:  What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a
>>> ptp without having a visual on the other side?
>>>
>>> Details:
>>>
>>> When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times.
>>>
>>> The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other
>>> end.
>>>
>>> We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile.
>>>
>>> Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge.  Azimuth is a
>>> different story.  If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big
>>> deal, but what if you can't?
>>>
>>>  We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and
>>> we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year.
>>>
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