You should read a bit more. Their presentation Thursday (maybe Wednesday?) would have been a real eye opener for you.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Scottie Arnett <[email protected]>wrote: > All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get > me wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about > Connect "whatever state inserted here"! Same as what is happening in TN! > > In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big > boy! I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps > that WISPA has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to > BOW DOWN to the FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They > are playing second fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone > to standup at the FCC and say, "HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and > telephone co's! We are serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl > than the telco's are cable co's ever thought about! > > Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go > to Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the > more he gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that > used to be a WISP and later became a lawyer. He knows what we are and what > we stand for? > > Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against > money that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just > take a look at my area and what I have to compete against, .... I could give > WISPA $100,000 and probably still not survive! > > Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP > funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50 > million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were > covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand > their coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits, > > What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can > afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250 > and do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the > ones that can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has > auctioned off the good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the > BIG guys, but could not afford? > > Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me > different, and I will join him in a counter! > > Scott > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> > *To:* WISPA General List <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules > > I didn't say that, but it is well known. > > Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect > Kentucky. I said sure, send over the paperwork. It was a minimum $10k to > be listed on the associates part. $50k to be a partner. Do they honestly > think I can afford either? Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, > Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in > my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with > CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed > them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue. > They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I > didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product, > satellite service. They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for > Kentucky. The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as > soon as their funding ran out. It was done in spite of the Kentucky > Government. The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all. > Guess what happened another year later? Another company was hired to do > THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again. > > I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended > promised were made by them. > > None of this is opinion, it's all FACT. Ask MANY MANY MANY people around > the US that are under a Connect program. Most will show their displeasure. > > Regards, > > Chuck > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front >> for the Bells." >> I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this >> list. However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for >> independent companies like most of us are. They lobby for Broadband in >> general - they don't play favorites at the high level. However, they have >> some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys. And if you work very much >> with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about. >> >> Dave Hannum >> New Era Broadband, LLC >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However, >>> >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and >>> >I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this >>> >mapping, that public information was removed from their website. >>> >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the >>> >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel. >>> >>> I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer. This is the >>> public forum, not official correspondence. >>> >>> It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the >>> Bells. Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to >>> independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise. If CN is whinging, let >>> them, because it hit home. >>> >>> Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this >>> list. Not everything has to be somber. >>> >>> >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman >>> ><[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content >>> > makes WISPA look. >>> > > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and >>> > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>> +1 617 795 2701 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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