At 1/15/2011 05:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
I didn't say that, but it is well known.
I said it, and I stand by it, noting what Chuck said as an
example. Even before the federally-funded mapping projects, CK was
operating -- it was the prototype for CN -- and it was referring
people to BellSouth. I think at the time it was a $20k fee to be
listed. $20k for BellSouth, $20k for a tiny local ISP. Sort of a
poll tax model. Great for the big guys. But it's not the big guys
who need someone to tell the public who provides service where they are.
Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to
Connect Kentucky. I said sure, send over the paperwork. It was a
minimum $10k to be listed on the associates part. $50k to be a
partner. Do they honestly think I can afford either? Guess who was
partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner,
Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area called them to
see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went to
EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them
how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or
WildBlue. They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant,
but because I didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an
inferior product, satellite service. They were provided with
MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky. The maps they did were
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran
out. It was done in spite of the Kentucky Government. The TAX
PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all. Guess what
happened another year later? Another company was hired to do THAT
EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.
I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open
ended promised were made by them.
None of this is opinion, it's all FACT. Ask MANY MANY MANY people
around the US that are under a Connect program. Most will show
their displeasure.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum
<<mailto:oujas...@gmail.com>oujas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying
front for the Bells."
I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this
list. However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not
more, for independent companies like most of us are. They lobby for
Broadband in general - they don't play favorites at the high
level. However, they have some very knowledgible, dedicated
wireless guys. And if you work very much with them, you'd see that
wireles is all those guys are about.
Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein
<<mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote:
At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However,
>nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the
>potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer. This is the
public forum, not official correspondence.
It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
Bells. Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise. If CN is whinging, let
them, because it hit home.
Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
list. Not everything has to be somber.
>On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
><<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
> makes WISPA look.
> > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and
> businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
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ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
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