Mark, I may have missed it but I havent heard MK call you any names. There really is no room for that on this list. But then, who am I?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Mark Nash <[email protected]> wrote: > We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes. > > The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and > doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch. > > Notice that he's not on the members list. Again doesn't want to > help...just wants to bitch. > > Dick. > > On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > > I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list when I > > was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for comments and > > help</sarcasm>. WISPA is a representation of those who show up to help > > formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views. So easy to throw > > darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the process, isn't > it? > > > > On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote: > >> Nice re-write of history, Forbes. Who are you trying to protect? > >> > >> It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind the FCC's > >> anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and the > people > >> that this administration have appointed and have hired, combined with a > >> small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net > >> Neutrality, etc. It was NEVER Congress that pushed this. > >> > >> Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter of > lobbyists > >> having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress finding ways to > >> raise money. A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress > >> unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we are > needed - > >> the FCC is just as ignorant as well. Despite that fact that WISPA has > >> communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the realities > of > >> free market service providers. > >> > >> Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to me, and > >> threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to take a > >> PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC, that we > >> believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being > >> encumbered (killed) by federal regulation. > >> > >> To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that it, or > you, > >> believe in free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented > >> stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning the > assets to > >> the largest bidder. Instead, WISPA has a history of alternatively being > for > >> and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not it was > >> financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA. > >> > >> This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the > >> backside, potentially lethally. The central notion we have to fight is > >> that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the highest > >> bidder. And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to commit an idea > >> commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to create a > >> "license to sell groceries" and has structured it so that it is all > tied to > >> one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the ability of all > the > >> incumbents to stay in business. Instead of educating Congress, the FCC > >> ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in business has > >> been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America has great > >> internet service, we've quibbled over dollars and rules and tried to > slant > >> them for us against others - the very thinking we must now defeat. > >> > >> I have said we all stand on freedom, or fall together, and for this I > have > >> been branded as a radical, idiot, moron, right wing extremist, and so on > - > >> as such principles are, according to the self proclaimed 'wise men' of > the > >> group, outdated and unworkable. Until we need them, of course. Even > the > >> tortured and twisted explanation below is still trying to defend the big > >> government crapola, and by now, it better be as clear and obvious to > you, as > >> a just hammered thumbnail, that NOTHING ELSE MATTERS IF WE DO NOT HAVE > THE > >> FREEDOM TO BE IN BUSINESS. > >> > >> I was at founding of WISPA. I was there within a week or two of the > >> interest list being formed, and I joined and donated money, until > previous > >> people of WISPA were found by me to be advocating FCC mandates on us. > At > >> which I resigned and will not rejoin until my money is no longer at risk > of > >> being used against our basic and fundamental freedoms. > >> > >> YEARS have been sqandered, because WISPA failed to advocate for freedom > >> first, a consistent, principled basis for everything said, advocacy > >> positions, etc. Now, you have to suddenly "get religion", because > >> EVERYONE's freedom is at stake, even our competition's,. Rather than > >> advocate for that, WISPA now has a history just as compromised as AT&T's > and > >> every lobbyist's, because it stood for little more than trying to bend > the > >> rules to favor US instead of "THEM". Expediently, we've "discovered" > that > >> open markets mean open to competition, as well, something not advocated > by > >> WISPA before. > >> > >> I said in 2009 that there were people headed for Congress, a sea change > >> coming, and that WISPA needed to get politically allied with the pro > freedom > >> crowd. They were called radicals and idiots on this list instead. > >> > >> If you have even ONCE advocated for big government intervention... For > >> money your way, for regulation to favor you instead of them, for a > chance to > >> get your hands on the subsidies, or IN ANY WAY supported the notion of > >> government intervention in the markets.... YOU are directly to blame for > the > >> mess we're facing. YOU failed to stand for the ONE thing that matters, > >> freedom. I sure hope we win this fight. > >> > >> When I started posting about defending your right to be in business > several > >> years ago, it was because I had envisioned this happening, it was > written on > >> the wall, in big letters. I told you so. Are you going to get serious, > or > >> this just going to be just more arguments of convenience? > >> > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Forbes Mercy"<[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:03 AM > >> To:<[email protected]>; "WISPA General List"<[email protected]> > >> Subject: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire > >> > >>> TO WISP's > >>> > >>> I'm not much of an alarmist and I would never claim the sky is falling > >>> unless I had positive proof. Right now WISPA is faced with what I > >>> perceive as the most serious threat to our industry to date. Some of > >>> you may complain that the FCC is an overreaching intruder into our > >>> business. While Federal Government oversight and regulations into our > >>> rapidly growing industry may seem intrusive WISPA has always had their > >>> ear and we feel they listen and include us into much of their decision > >>> making process. There is no doubt they truly want nation-wide service > >>> and recognize the lack of enthusiastic expansion by major players > >>> (legacy carriers) into the rural area which is our strongest argument. > >>> > >>> Starting with Net Neutrality we noticed that Congress was starting to > >>> politicize the work of the FCC. Some of you thought that was a good > >>> thing since you felt the FCC was slow in releasing frequencies. The > >>> micro-management of the FCC on that first issue has rapidly grown to > >>> full fledged taking over of the FCC's mission. Once the legacy > >>> characters found that they could go around the FCC to Congress, where > >>> they already give millions in "donations", they knew they had one big > >>> leg up on small budget organizations like WISPA. They are now flexing > >>> their full lobbying muscle by getting some 'friends' in Congress to > >>> introduce bills that would freeze any future expansion of the WISP > >>> market locking us out of the lower frequencies that we need to > penetrate > >>> vegetation and terrain. Much like teaching the Internet to your > parents > >>> other legislators look at the new laws with dazed amazement and just > say > >>> OK not realizing the ramifications and listening to the lobbyist spin. > >>> > >>> WISPA is not sitting back on this one, last year our board was not > >>> afraid to go far out of budget to get our feet firmly in the door on > >>> issues such as TV White Spaces (TV White Spaces) and the Universal > >>> Service Fund change to Connect America Fund (CAF). It appears all that > >>> work is now under scrutiny by Congress and their answer seems to be one > >>> of 'lets just put all frequencies up for bid, licensed and unlicensed'. > >>> None of us WISP's could afford to bid against the likes of AT&T and > >>> Verizon and it has the potential of locking all small business out of > >>> any future frequencies. > >>> > >>> Yesterday the Legislative, FCC, and Promotions Committee of WISPA got > >>> together and released a letter to all Congressional Members of several > >>> committees relevant to this battle, in addition we paid to have a > formal > >>> press release sent to the media objecting to this path that both the > >>> Senate and House seem to be pursuing. We are now interviewing > potential > >>> Lobbyists (something we've never needed before) and, other firms that > >>> can help us with this new front we have to fight on. > >>> > >>> Where WISPA will have to go to get the ear of Congress to stop this > >>> insane path is all new to us but we are up to the challange. We have > >>> great legal counsel, members that can attend and testify hearings, > >>> allies in other groups such as New America feel the pain like us on > this > >>> issue. We will be making alliances, learning how to do social > >>> networking to reach our members, our members subscribers and, anyone > who > >>> will side with us to form grass roots efforts to get the attention of > >>> Congress. At this point we are not asking for a special assessment or > >>> other means to aggressively answer this call, we are within budget so > >>> far but it's hard to say how far this will go. We simply are asking > you > >>> to watch closely what we inform membership, prepare to be involved > >>> because unless you are content with the current frequencies and rules > we > >>> are under you will directly be affected by this Congressional action. > >>> > >>> If we give in to these irrational rules don't think Congress or the > >>> legacy characters will stop there, if they sell the revenue model > >>> successfully they could go after existing frequencies too. WISPA will > >>> be releasing talking points next week so that you can help us by making > >>> appointments with your Congressperson while they are in district during > >>> the month of August. We really need to educate them that this path is > >>> bad for America and their constituents. If you need constant updates > >>> please join the Legislative Committee as we will be posting most of the > >>> Legislative work in that venue. Thank you for your time and we > >>> appreciate you realizing the huge task we have ahead of us. > >>> > >>> Forbes Mercy > >>> WISPA VP/Legislative Chair > >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> WISPA Wants You! 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