I said not likely :) Regards, Chuck
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com>wrote: > What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it will > easily go 4-5 miles. Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if you want > more gain. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:56, Fred Goldstein <fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote: > > On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > > Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor WISP > environment. > A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII > > People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than > intended is the issue. Also, the 5470-5725 band requires DFS. > > > Actually, so does 5.25-5.35, as of 2004 or so. It didn't originally, but > when they added the 5.47-5.725 band, which needs DFS, they added the > requirement to the original U-NII-2A band. So > > 15.407(h)(2) Radar Detection Function of Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS). > U-NII devices operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz and 5 > <http://www.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/section.pdf>.47-5 > <http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/index.php>.725 GHz > bands > shall employ a DFS radar detection mechanism to detect the presence of > radar systems and to avoid co-channel operation with radar systems. > > > The power level down there is adequate for some applications, like > half-mile links. Lots of old Motorola PTP-400s are legally pumping +5 to > +9 dBm into panels... one urban path is working over 2 miles, though we're > replacing it. > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com> wrote: > >> 5265-5320 >> 5500-5580 >> 5660-5700 >> 5735-5840 >> >> Are these not USA channels? >> If am wrong let me know and I will change them. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < >> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Forrest...what is your offlist email ? >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? >>> Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM >>> >>> >>> I'm going to agree with others... >>> >>> Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds >>> like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining >>> about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use >>> than to exceed the limits. >>> >>> I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they >>> should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My >>> experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific >>> tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed >>> over. Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf >>> than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor. >>> >>> Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. We've just all >>> either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator >>> like you are now. And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the >>> FCC which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the >>> rules. Which makes us a bit grumpy. >>> >>> I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better >>> understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your >>> operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck, I'd >>> drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. >>> >>> In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you >>> reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network. >>> On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, "Art Stephens" <asteph...@ptera.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out >>>> of these frequencies. >>>> Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that >>>> platform. >>>> First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for >>>> about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - >>>> 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area, >>>> Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840. >>>> Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess >>>> with it. >>>> Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA. >>>> Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports >>>> 5170-5875. >>>> >>>> Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more >>>> money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both >>>> wisps and consumers. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arthur Stephens >>>> Senior Networking Technician >>>> Ptera Inc. >>>> PO Box 135 >>>> 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >>>> Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >>>> 509-927-7837 >>>> ptera.com >>>> facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> "This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, >>>> and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. >>>> Any use by others is strictly prohibited. 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