LOUD NOISES!!!!
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:06:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? You didn't make the comments that took this in the direction it did :) On 2/14/14, 6:04 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I was just speaking theoretical. Don't do any of the things I mentioned. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 5:03:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 > frequencies? > > Exactly... and this conversation just took a hair pin into exactly WHY > we're being "muscled out" of the frequencies. > > Guys -- if you're going to run, play by the rules. No unlocked radios, > compliance with DFS, set to US country code, etc. > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 > > On 2/14/14, 6:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > We're talking about DFS certification requirements for CPEs. They > exist :P > > > > *Josh Reynolds* > > Chief Information Officer > > SPITwSPOTS > > [email protected] | www.spitwspots.com > > > > On 02/14/2014 01:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The DOD only cares that you stop using the channel. It's up to you if > >> you want it to work somewhere else. ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > >> *To: *[email protected] > >> *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 > >> frequencies? > >> > >> CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to > >> channel change requests from the AP, etc. > >> > >> *Josh Reynolds* > >> Chief Information Officer > >> SPITwSPOTS > >> [email protected] | www.spitwspots.com > >> > >> On 02/14/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > >> It seems technically quite easy. Set compliance mode on an older > >> device and associate to one that is compliant. > >> > >> Does DFS certification only apply to AP operations or CPE > >> operations as well? I'm guessing the former. If that's the case, > >> UBNT hasn't done the paperwork to get them certified as CPE > >> either, but should be a lot easier as they don't need to pass all > >> of the other business. Also, that makes more sense... that your > >> AP control what happens in a given area. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> > >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> *Cc: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 > >> frequencies? > >> > >> Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS > >> equipped sector? > >> > >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS > >> approval but we are using the frequencies listed and DFS on > >> the Rocket Sectors they connect to. I have been chasing > >> jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from competitors > >> putting up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including > >> labor costs. And money grows on trees. > >> > >> All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to > >> bring them up to "legal". > >> > >> Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came > >> out 5.7-5.8 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower > >> frequencies whether it seemed like they were going to be > >> withdrawn and sold off to the highest bidder. It is all about > >> the money after all. > >> > >> Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List > >> Account) <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a > >> certified radio. > >> > >> Your original message was complaining about the removal of > >> compliance test mode. The specific purpose of compliance > >> test mode is to permit a radio to operate outside of legal > >> limits. For instance over the legal power limit or on > >> DFS bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels > >> for that radio. > >> > >> UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to > >> prevent any legal operation of their radio. I haven't > >> heard of any instances where not having compliance mode > >> has resulted in a meaningful impact to a legal operator. > >> I hate to defend them but in this case it seems like they > >> may have gotten it nearly correct. > >> > >> Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you > >> think is legal but isn't permitted unless you turn on > >> compliance test mode? > >> > >> On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, "Art Stephens" > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> 5265-5320 > >> 5500-5580 > >> 5660-5700 > >> 5735-5840 > >> > >> Are these not USA channels? > >> If am wrong let me know and I will change them. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Forrest...what is your offlist email ? > >> > >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > >> > >> ----- Reply message ----- > >> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the > >> 5265 - 5700 frequencies? > >> Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM > >> > >> > >> I'm going to agree with others... > >> > >> Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to > >> the FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely > >> running outside the limits since you are whining > >> about the ability to run your radios in a mode > >> which seems to have no use than to exceed the > limits. > >> > >> I will also add that if you're running all your > >> radios hotter than they should be that your nose > >> floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My > >> experience over the years is that radios are > >> designed to run at a specific tx power and if > >> you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of > >> channel bleed over. Even if the radios don't do > >> this you are introducing far more rf than is > >> likely needed causing an overall rising of the > >> noise floor. > >> > >> Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. > >> We've just all either dealt with an operator like > >> you are now or have been an operator like you are > >> now. And right now we're trying to gain > >> credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when > >> some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules. > >> Which makes us a bit grumpy. > >> > >> I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would > >> love to help you better understand what you are > >> doing to yourself and help you improve your > >> operations which will in turn improve your quality > >> of service. Heck, I'd drive over there for a > >> weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. > >> > >> In any case please ask for help in appropriate > >> spots and let us help you reap the rewards of a > >> correctly and legally operating network. > >> > >> On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, "Art Stephens" > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is > >> trying to muscle wisps out of these frequencies. > >> Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I > >> can only speak from that platform. > >> First the latest firmware update removes > >> compliance test which for about 40% of our > >> equipment deployed would render them unusable > >> since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher > >> noise levels in our area, > >> Second is new product released only > >> supports 5735 - 5840. > >> Seems like DFS is such a pain that > >> manufacturers do not want to mess with it. > >> Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only > >> support 5725-5850 for USA. > >> Worldwide version which we are not allowed to > >> buy or deploy supports 5170-5875. > >> > >> Seems the only alternative is to go with > >> licensed P2MP which makes more money for the > >> FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet > >> up for both wisps and consumers. > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur Stephens > >> Senior Networking Technician > >> Ptera Inc. > >> PO Box 135 > >> 24001 E Mission Suite 50 > >> Liberty Lake, WA 99019 > >> 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837> > >> ptera.com <http://ptera.com> > >> facebook.com/PteraInc > >> <http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | > >> twitter.com/Ptera <http://twitter.com/Ptera> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> "This message may contain confidential and/or > >> propriety information, and is intended for the > >> person/entity to whom it was originally > >> addressed. > >> Any use by others is strictly prohibited. > >> Please note that any views or opinions > >> presented in this email are solely those of > >> the author and are not intended to represent > >> those of the company." > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur Stephens > >> Senior Networking Technician > >> Ptera Inc. > >> PO Box 135 > >> 24001 E Mission Suite 50 > >> Liberty Lake, WA 99019 > >> 509-927-7837 <tel:509-927-7837> > >> ptera.com <http://ptera.com> > >> facebook.com/PteraInc <http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | > >> twitter.com/Ptera <http://twitter.com/Ptera> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> "This message may contain confidential and/or > >> propriety information, and is intended for the > >> person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. > >> Any use by others is strictly prohibited. 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