CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to
channel change requests from the AP, etc.
*Josh Reynolds*
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
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On 02/14/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It seems technically quite easy. Set compliance mode on an older
device and associate to one that is compliant.
Does DFS certification only apply to AP operations or CPE operations
as well? I'm guessing the former. If that's the case, UBNT hasn't done
the paperwork to get them certified as CPE either, but should be a lot
easier as they don't need to pass all of the other business. Also,
that makes more sense... that your AP control what happens in a given
area.
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*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?
Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS equipped
sector?
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com
<mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>> wrote:
We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval
but we are using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket
Sectors they connect to. I have been chasing jumping bunny rabbits
(False Positives from competitors putting up new APs)) - cost to
replace $6000 not including labor costs. And money grows on trees.
All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to
bring them up to "legal".
Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came out
5.7-5.8 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower
frequencies whether it seemed like they were going to be withdrawn
and sold off to the highest bidder. It is all about the money
after all.
Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a
certified radio.
Your original message was complaining about the removal of
compliance test mode. The specific purpose of compliance test
mode is to permit a radio to operate outside of legal
limits. For instance over the legal power limit or on DFS
bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels for that
radio.
UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to
prevent any legal operation of their radio. I haven't heard
of any instances where not having compliance mode has resulted
in a meaningful impact to a legal operator. I hate to defend
them but in this case it seems like they may have gotten it
nearly correct.
Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you think
is legal but isn't permitted unless you turn on compliance
test mode?
On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, "Art Stephens" <asteph...@ptera.com
<mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>> wrote:
5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840
Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let me know and I will change them.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Forrest...what is your offlist email ?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
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Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265
- 5700 frequencies?
Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM
I'm going to agree with others...
Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the
FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely running
outside the limits since you are whining about the
ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to
have no use than to exceed the limits.
I will also add that if you're running all your radios
hotter than they should be that your nose floor
problem is most likely self inflicted. My experience
over the years is that radios are designed to run at a
specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a
lot of out of channel bleed over. Even if the radios
don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is
likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise
floor.
Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.
We've just all either dealt with an operator like you
are now or have been an operator like you are now.
And right now we're trying to gain credibility with
the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are
flagrantly breaking the rules. Which makes us a bit
grumpy.
I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love
to help you better understand what you are doing to
yourself and help you improve your operations which
will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck,
I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule
wasn't so packed.
In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots
and let us help you reap the rewards of a correctly
and legally operating network.
On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, "Art Stephens"
<asteph...@ptera.com <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>> wrote:
Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying
to muscle wisps out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can
only speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes
compliance test which for about 40% of our
equipment deployed would render them unusable
since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise
levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735
- 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers
do not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only
support 5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy
or deploy supports 5170-5875.
Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed
P2MP which makes more money for the FCC and drives
the cost of wireless internet up for both wisps
and consumers.
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