Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS equipped sector?
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com> wrote: > We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval but we are > using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket Sectors they connect to. I > have been chasing jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from competitors > putting up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including labor costs. And > money grows on trees. > > All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to bring them up > to "legal". > > Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came out 5.7-5.8 No > DFS that triggered my question about the lower frequencies whether it seemed > like they were going to be withdrawn and sold off to the highest bidder. It > is all about the money after all. > > Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?. > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >> Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a certified radio. >> >> Your original message was complaining about the removal of compliance test >> mode. The specific purpose of compliance test mode is to permit a radio to >> operate outside of legal limits. For instance over the legal power limit >> or on DFS bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels for that radio. >> >> UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to prevent any legal >> operation of their radio. I haven't heard of any instances where not having >> compliance mode has resulted in a meaningful impact to a legal operator. I >> hate to defend them but in this case it seems like they may have gotten it >> nearly correct. >> >> Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you think is legal but >> isn't permitted unless you turn on compliance test mode? >> >> On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, "Art Stephens" <asteph...@ptera.com> wrote: >>> 5265-5320 >>> 5500-5580 >>> 5660-5700 >>> 5735-5840 >>> >>> Are these not USA channels? >>> If am wrong let me know and I will change them. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller >>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Forrest...what is your offlist email ? >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone >>>> >>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? >>>> Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to agree with others... >>>> >>>> Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds >>>> like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining >>>> about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use >>>> than to exceed the limits. >>>> >>>> I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they >>>> should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My >>>> experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific >>>> tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed >>>> over. Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf >>>> than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor. >>>> >>>> Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. We've just all either >>>> dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you >>>> are now. And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC >>>> which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules. >>>> Which makes us a bit grumpy. >>>> >>>> I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better >>>> understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your >>>> operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck, I'd >>>> drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. >>>> >>>> In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you >>>> reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network. >>>> >>>> On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, "Art Stephens" <asteph...@ptera.com> wrote: >>>>> Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of >>>>> these frequencies. >>>>> Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that >>>>> platform. >>>>> First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about >>>>> 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - >>>>> 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area, >>>>> Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840. >>>>> Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with >>>>> it. >>>>> Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA. >>>>> Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports >>>>> 5170-5875. >>>>> >>>>> Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more >>>>> money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both >>>>> wisps and consumers. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arthur Stephens >>>>> Senior Networking Technician >>>>> Ptera Inc. >>>>> PO Box 135 >>>>> 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >>>>> Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >>>>> 509-927-7837 >>>>> ptera.com >>>>> facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> "This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and >>>>> is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. >>>>> Any use by others is strictly prohibited. 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