It was hundreds of dollars a month, I know that. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
Interstate access charge, maybe? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/16/14, 2:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Don't know. > The word "interstate" was in the description of the charge. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:[email protected]] > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:32:45 -0400 > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > OK... but why is there no USF on an INTRAstate circuit but there is on > an INTERstate? > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] <#> > > On 4/16/14, 2:22 PM, [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > There was none. We just kept refusing to pay it and explained it > several > > times. They finally removed it. > > Having a good relationship with your A.E. helps a lot I guess. > > I lot of it was just making them understand that, since they had > all the > > addresses of the drops, it was NOT interstate. > > > > I used to fight this with the phone company as well several years > ago in > > another life. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:33:19 -0400 > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > That's what I meant... interesting. Good to know! Can you reference > > the paperwork ID number you had to request? > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] > <#>] <#> > > > > On 4/16/14, 1:28 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > From our Metro Ethernet network > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>] > > > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>] > > > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:41:22 -0400 > > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > > > So you got the USF tax removed from your Comcast transport circuit? > > > > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > > Director of Information Technology > > > Indigo Wireless > > > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) > 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] <#>] > > <#>] <#> > > > > > > On 4/16/14, 12:30 PM, ralph wrote: > > > > We did this, and won. > > > > > > > > Still trying to get credit for what was paid before we squeaked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>] > > > > *On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:06 PM > > > > *To:* WISPA General List > > > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The key for Comcast is to make sure your contract says > > intra-state and > > > > not inter-state for the tax jurisdiction. They don't collect > USF on > > > > intra-state circuits, only local city/county/state taxes as > > > applicable. > > > > If your contract says inter-state (and it isn't inter-state), > > you can > > > > harass your sales rep into getting a change order done. If it's > > > > intra-state and they still collect USF, then make the appropriate > > > stink > > > > with your sales rep. > > > > > > > > -Kristian > > > > > > > > On 04/15/2014 03:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh really? Comcast wants to charge me 16% USF on a point to point > > > > to carry Internet traffic. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > hmmm...... not quite accurate... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet Freedom Act was updated to allow for taxes not to > > > > apply to internet access as well as communication circuits > > > > carrying internet access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > > > Miami, FL 33155 > > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518[Call: (305)663-5518[Call: > > (305)663-5518[Call: (305)663-5518] <#>] <#>] <#> Option 2 or Email: > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> > > > > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> > > > > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:12:00 PM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the reason you are being taxed is because this is > > > > a transport and not an internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know the internet freedom act only applies to > > > > Internet access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, "Tom DeReggi" > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop for a couple years, regarding > > > > current status of CAF/USF/Tax requirements for > > > > WISPs. I was surprised when I recieved my first bill > > > > from my new upstream fiber provider. > > > > > > > > (they are a dark fiber provider, recently expanded to > > > > also offer metro ethernet IP) > > > > > > > > Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor > > > > Last mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber > > > > Transport data link. > > > > > > > > So I consider this a wholesale component or > > > > infrastructure component, not an End User Internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, my Fiber providers never charged me any > > > > Taxes or USF. > > > > > > > > I was under the impression that as a WISP (Im not a > > > > CLEC) providing Broadband only services, I didnt need to > > > > collect or pay into USF, CAF, or State Taxes. And > > > > further, my Upstream should be exempt from having to pay > > > > and/or collect such fees from me. If so, I need to > > > > provide legal documentation to support my claim to my > > > > upstream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe new fiber provider is trying to charge me.... > > > > > > > > The Federal USF stated was about 16.5% of monthly fiber > > > > cost. > > > > > > > > The VA Communication Tax was about 6% of monthly fiber cost. > > > > > > > > The Property Tax / Franchise/Row Recovery Fees 0.08% of > > > > monthly fiber cost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, I thought it was federal law that Broadband can > > > > not be taxed by the State. > > > > > > > > Second, the USF amount stated was 16.5%, but in the > > > > past, when USF was applicable it was always only around 6%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor > > > > Last mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber > > > > Transport data link. > > > > > > > > So I consider this a wholesale component or > > > > infrastructure component, not an End User Internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So questions are.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Am I exempt as a WISP. > > > > > > > > 2) Is there a standard government form I can provide to > > > > my uptream, to document my exemption (similar to use tax > > > > resell certificate) > > > > > > > > 3) Is CAF in effect now (Broadband providers paying into > > > > USF) and if so, what is the current % rate? > > > > > > > > 4) Does it matter how my upstream classifies themselves > > > > versus how I classify myself? (for example, if they've > > > > obtained CLEC status or not, or im not a CLEC). > > > > > > > > 5) Does it matter how I use the circuit? > > > > > > > > 6) Any specific FCC code to point to, that specifies > > > > this clearly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Figured Id ask, before I go searching through regulation > > > > code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom DeReggi > > > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > > > 301-515-7774[Call: 301-515-7774[Call: 301-515-7774[Call: > 301-515-7774] <#>] <#>] <#> > > > > > > > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wireless mailing list > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > 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