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Do a search on "interstate". USF does not apply to INTRASTATE communications. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs OK... but why is there no USF on an INTRAstate circuit but there is on an INTERstate? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/16/14, 2:22 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org<mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> wrote: > There was none. We just kept refusing to pay it and explained it several > times. They finally removed it. > Having a good relationship with your A.E. helps a lot I guess. > I lot of it was just making them understand that, since they had all the > addresses of the drops, it was NOT interstate. > > I used to fight this with the phone company as well several years ago in > another life. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org] > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:33:19 -0400 > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > That's what I meant... interesting. Good to know! Can you reference > the paperwork ID number you had to request? > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] <#> > > On 4/16/14, 1:28 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org<mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org><mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org%3e> wrote: > > From our Metro Ethernet network > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com><mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com%3e>] > > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org%3e>] > > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:41:22 -0400 > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > So you got the USF tax removed from your Comcast transport circuit? > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] > <#>] <#> > > > > On 4/16/14, 12:30 PM, ralph wrote: > > > We did this, and won. > > > > > > Still trying to get credit for what was paid before we squeaked. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%3e> > > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%3e%3e> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%3e> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%3e%3e>] > > > *On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:06 PM > > > *To:* WISPA General List > > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > The key for Comcast is to make sure your contract says > intra-state and > > > not inter-state for the tax jurisdiction. They don't collect USF on > > > intra-state circuits, only local city/county/state taxes as > > applicable. > > > If your contract says inter-state (and it isn't inter-state), > you can > > > harass your sales rep into getting a change order done. If it's > > > intra-state and they still collect USF, then make the appropriate > > stink > > > with your sales rep. > > > > > > -Kristian > > > > > > On 04/15/2014 03:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > > > > > Oh really? Comcast wants to charge me 16% USF on a point to point > > > to carry Internet traffic. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > > <fai...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net><mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net%3e> > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>><mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net%3e%3e> > > > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net > > > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net><mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net%3e> > > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net > <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>>><mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net%3e%3e%3e%3e> > wrote: > > > > > > hmmm...... not quite accurate... > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet Freedom Act was updated to allow for taxes not to > > > apply to internet access as well as communication circuits > > > carrying internet access. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > > Miami, FL 33155 > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > > > > > > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518[Call: (305)663-5518[Call: > (305)663-5518] <#>] <#> Option 2 or Email: > > > supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> > > > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net><mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net%3e> > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>><mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net%3e%3e> > > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net><mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net%3e> > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net > <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>>><mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net%3e%3e%3e> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > > > <mhop...@indigowireless.com<mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com><mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com%3e> > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>><mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com%3e%3e> > > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com><mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com%3e> > > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>>><mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com%3e%3e%3e%3e> > > > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org%3e> > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>><mailto:wireless@wispa.org%3e%3e> > > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org%3e> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>>><mailto:wireless@wispa.org%3e%3e%3e%3e> > > > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:12:00 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the reason you are being taxed is because this is > > > a transport and not an internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know the internet freedom act only applies to > > > Internet access. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, "Tom DeReggi" > > > <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net<mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> > > > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net><mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net%3e> > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>><mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net%3e%3e> > > > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net > > > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net><mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net%3e> > > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net > <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>>>><mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net%3e%3e%3e%3e> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop for a couple years, regarding > > > current status of CAF/USF/Tax requirements for > > > WISPs. I was surprised when I recieved my first bill > > > from my new upstream fiber provider. > > > > > > (they are a dark fiber provider, recently expanded to > > > also offer metro ethernet IP) > > > > > > Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor > > > Last mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber > > > Transport data link. > > > > > > So I consider this a wholesale component or > > > infrastructure component, not an End User Internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, my Fiber providers never charged me any > > > Taxes or USF. > > > > > > I was under the impression that as a WISP (Im not a > > > CLEC) providing Broadband only services, I didnt need to > > > collect or pay into USF, CAF, or State Taxes. And > > > further, my Upstream should be exempt from having to pay > > > and/or collect such fees from me. If so, I need to > > > provide legal documentation to support my claim to my > > > upstream. > > > > > > > > > > > > THe new fiber provider is trying to charge me.... > > > > > > The Federal USF stated was about 16.5% of monthly fiber > > > cost. > > > > > > The VA Communication Tax was about 6% of monthly fiber cost. > > > > > > The Property Tax / Franchise/Row Recovery Fees 0.08% of > > > monthly fiber cost. > > > > > > > > > > > > First, I thought it was federal law that Broadband can > > > not be taxed by the State. > > > > > > Second, the USF amount stated was 16.5%, but in the > > > past, when USF was applicable it was always only around 6%. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor > > > Last mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber > > > Transport data link. > > > > > > So I consider this a wholesale component or > > > infrastructure component, not an End User Internet circuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > So questions are.... > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Am I exempt as a WISP. > > > > > > 2) Is there a standard government form I can provide to > > > my uptream, to document my exemption (similar to use tax > > > resell certificate) > > > > > > 3) Is CAF in effect now (Broadband providers paying into > > > USF) and if so, what is the current % rate? > > > > > > 4) Does it matter how my upstream classifies themselves > > > versus how I classify myself? (for example, if they've > > > obtained CLEC status or not, or im not a CLEC). > > > > > > 5) Does it matter how I use the circuit? > > > > > > 6) Any specific FCC code to point to, that specifies > > > this clearly? > > > > > > > > > > > > Figured Id ask, before I go searching through regulation > > > code. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom DeReggi > > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > > 301-515-7774[Call: 301-515-7774[Call: 301-515-7774] <#>] <#> > > > > > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wireless mailing list > > > Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org><mailto:Wireless@wispa.org%3e> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>><mailto:Wireless@wispa.org%3e%3e> > > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org > > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org><mailto:Wireless@wispa.org%3e> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>>><mailto:Wireless@wispa.org%3e%3e%3e> > > > 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