No one has said anything about the use of rogue AP detection from a troubleshooting standpoint. In our environment our APs do a monitor mode cycle occasionally and use the information each AP gives the controller to determine if something wireless is present. It uses the collected data to "attempt" and provide a location. This is fantastic and can provide a lot of useful data that you can act on to resolve and prevent problems in a corporate wireless environment.
I would agree that interfering inappropriately with the data these tools provide you with may or may not cause you legal trouble. Of course that is no different than owning a gun in Wisconsin. Its alright to have it but point it at the thing and you might find yourself in hot water. ** feeding the trolls nothing to see here :) ** On Jan 6, 2015 4:27 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: > A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their > corporate space. > > If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and > somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be okay with them > chugging away uploading whatever they found? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do > this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all Access Points via > Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am not talking > for the FCC, but for what I believe is right, in this case, you can’t own a > location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you can’t cause harmful > interference, and a deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. > > > > I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your > network, but you should not be able to interfere with other operations, > regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the intent from > those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s not on your network then you > can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your property, sure you can > tell them to turn it off or leave, but that’s another issue. lol > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact > that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every time the > deauthing activity is. > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf > > In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott > charged for Internet (and a lot at that). > > "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users > from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi networks when > these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland > network or its guests." > > Sounds like security is a viable defense. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > You cannot do it at all…. > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it > to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other > reasons. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been > deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Piehn > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point > detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have > people used. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Scott M Piehn > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >
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