On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:27:13 -0600 (CST) Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: > A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their > corporate space. > > If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and somehow > passed their other forms of security, you'd be >okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? >
If I tried to climb over the fence into a secure Lockheed facility I run the very real risk of being shot! <humor> Surely your not asserting that you have the same right when someone climbs over your back fence </humor>. When National Security is asserted the rules change. The FCC has a history of being fairly draconian when they smell "harmful interference". (I've always guessed it's personal to them because your playing with their toys. ;-) It's always a bad idea to expect to reason with a bureaucrat. It's either OK or not. It's all in the book. If you have a very deep back pocket you can try and get it in front of a judge and argue the merits but they tend to defer to the regulators. Larry Ash > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do this, > for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all >Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am >not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is >right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, >therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a >deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. > > I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your network, > but you should not be able to interfere with other >operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the >intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s >not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your >property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or >leave, but that’s another issue. lol > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf >Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that > they're charging for Internet access is brought up >every time the deauthing activity is. > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf > > In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged > for Internet (and a lot at that). > > "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from > connecting to the Internet via their own personal >Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the >Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." > > Sounds like security is a viable defense. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > You cannot do it at all…. > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On >Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to > force people to give them money. A company doing it >has plenty of other reasons. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > >From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed > illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I >think due to it. > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On >Behalf Of Scott Piehn > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > > I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. > not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What >products have people used. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Scott M Piehn > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > Larry Ash Senior Network Engineer Mountain West Telephone 123 W 1st St. Casper, WY 82601 Office 307 233-8387 _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
