In Colorado and many other states with "make my day" laws you can most certainly be shot :-/
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, <l...@mwtcorp.net> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:27:13 -0600 (CST) > Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net <javascript:;>> wrote: > > A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their > corporate space. > > > > If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and > somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be > >okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? > > > > If I tried to climb over the fence into a secure Lockheed facility I run > the very real risk of being shot! <humor> Surely your not > asserting that you have the same right when someone climbs over your back > fence </humor>. When National Security is asserted the > rules change. > > The FCC has a history of being fairly draconian when they smell "harmful > interference". (I've always guessed it's personal > to them because your playing with their toys. ;-) > It's always a bad idea to expect to reason with a bureaucrat. It's either > OK or not. It's all in the book. > If you have a very deep back pocket you can try and get it in front of a > judge and argue the merits but they > tend to defer to the regulators. > > Larry Ash > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net <javascript:;>> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;>> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > > > > > While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do > this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all > >Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, > I am not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is > >right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, > therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a > >deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. > > > > I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your > network, but you should not be able to interfere with other > >operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not > the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s > >not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on > your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or > >leave, but that’s another issue. lol > > > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net <javascript:;> – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;> [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > > > There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact > that they're charging for Internet access is brought up > >every time the deauthing activity is. > > > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf > > > > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf > > > > In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott > charged for Internet (and a lot at that). > > > > "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users > from connecting to the Internet via their own personal > >Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of > the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." > > > > Sounds like security is a viable defense. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net <javascript:;> > > > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > You cannot do it at all…. > > > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net <javascript:;> – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;> [ mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;> ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > > > You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing > it to force people to give them money. A company doing it > >has plenty of other reasons. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net <javascript:;> > > > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been > deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I > >think due to it. > > > > > > Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. > > den...@linktechs.net <javascript:;> – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net > > > > > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;> [ mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org <javascript:;> ] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection > > > > > > > > > > I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point > detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What > >products have people used. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Scott M Piehn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Larry Ash > Senior Network Engineer > Mountain West Telephone > 123 W 1st St. > Casper, WY 82601 > Office 307 233-8387 > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org <javascript:;> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >
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