Yes, thanks Phil, for stepping into the breach and buying the code when the list was only talking about it. You put your money where your mouth was. Now it is time for us to do the same, after all that was said before, when the product was in limbo.
I, for one, hope for the best, accept what comes and, like most, will make decisions based on commercial expediency. Having said that though, I also believe in the cause of creating a better alternative to the IDE's out there and, like the notables on this list, will continue to commit my time and efforts to assisting this community to achieve that. I do agree however, that a bit more information up to this point would have saved a lot of posts and the occasional flame. And quick release of service packs, and more information on where the next version of product goes will save further angst on both sides. I think that the dominant feeling on both sides of this fence, is one of commitment to the product. So lets not burn each other in achieving that - let's make it easy on both developers and WI. Garth At 02:39 8/08/02 -0700, you wrote: >I for one just want to say Thank you Phil for all the hard work and personal >risk youve put into keeping this product alive and bringing it to a new >level with this upcoming beta release. You make our jobs (which for the >most part provide services to others) possible. Theres the old saying that >if you give a man a fish he can eat for a day, but if you teach the man how >to fish he can eat the rest of his life. You and your team do this one step >better. You give us the tools to allow us to "teach our clients to fish", >giving us the power to provide quality products to our customers. > >Once again, thank you and keep up the good work. > >-Atrix > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Aleksei Kac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:26 PM >Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: New beta release? > > >Comments below (who would have guessed?) > >On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 01:56 PM, Phil Wade wrote: > > > Let me start by saying, do not start an entire thread on this subject > > that > > goes on for hours or even days. Everyone else on the list has better > > things > > to do with their time as do my engineering team and myself (which is > > why we > > do not respond to this type of thread). > >My original email was not meant to start a huge thread. I had asked a >simple question. I got answers that had nothing to do with the >question. So I kept trying to ask the question. If I would have just >shrugged and said, ah nevermind - who would be better off? > > > > > It is coming up to 5:00am in the morning here in Australia and myself > > and a > > few of my team have just finished a very long day doing the final > > testing of > > the installers and uploading of the first of the installers ready for > > the > > public beta. We have the a beta testers site finished and ready to go > > live > > as soon as the installers are Oked by the private beta testers - the so > > called "insiders". As soon as I get an OK from them all, the Public > > Beta > > will begin. Yes, Alex/Stephen, we are now literally 36 hours away from > > providing you with betas of v5. I hope you can hold on just a few > > hours > > more. > >Of course :) But I do disagree with the fact that you did not respond >to the original thread. A simple - "We'll let you know in about one to >two weeks." directly from you - would have stopped the thread. > > > > > I understand that everyone is "interested" and chomping at the bit > > regarding > > the new release, but from our point of view, we have one chance to get > > the > > underlying architecture correct and stable. First impressions are > > very > > important and we are expecting that there are many of you that will be > > public and harsh in your criticism. This is why we have kept the the > > project in-house and we only announced what we wanted to announce. > > There > > have been a lot of architectural changes that we have had to make > > which will > > not please everyone, but it is all documented on the beta site. > >No new major release pleases everyone - but the communication part is >the most important. What hurts communities most is the wondering, the >speculation. > > > > > The new release is aimed at actually delivering the performance and > > stability that the server should have had years ago. Our long term > > goal is > > to do away with server watcher and actually deliver stability instead > > of the > > impression of stability. It was a great crutch for T2K, but it is now > > time > > that the server to not rely on such mechanisms. For this to happen, it > > means that there needs to be commitment from both sides of Witango. I > > can > > assure you that I have a very talented and committed team that is more > > than > > capable of delivering the features, performance and stability to the > > Witango > > technologies that you as developers require. > >Andre is extremely talented I agree. And I applaud the long term goal. > > > > > What we need in return is commitment from the developer community that > > they > > will help themselves by reporting crashes, bugs, etc back to us and > > provide > > us with the test cases and information we require to be able to > > continually > > make Witango better. To date we have had less than 20 bugs reported > > to us, > > and they have been reported by only 4 individuals. > >In the past, this has not been a problem for me. Before working at >Pervasive, I had worked very hard with Julie Reed and many of the >developers directly at Everyware to solve issues. I've done the same >with WebTen when I was using that - on both products spending many >hours on the phone in the middle of the night. I don't have that kind >of time now, but if the product is worth using, I have always spent the >time to track down the issues. I expect the same of anybody who things >the product is worth it. > > > > > As a developer community you also have a commitment to yourselves to > > make > > and maintain your community of developers where code, ideas, > > solutions, etc > > are openly shared. A community is about 'us' and 'we' not 'me' and > > 'I'. It > > is easy to say, "I built something like that", it is just as easy to > > attach > > a taf or two that shows how it is done. On this point, I commend > > people > > like Robert, Ben, Scott, Gauthier and a few others for sharing their > > code. > >I have always agreed with that. Most of my code (that wasn't tied to a >specific client back in my consulting days) were shared with the Tango >community. Most of the code written while at PVSW was shared as well - >though some of my better work was not allowed to be shared. Again - I >asked this awhile back - did you get any of that code? Some of it was >the DevTalk and eCommerce systems (based off Ritchie's code - but >greatly extended). Many more pieces were the foundations that ran the >PVSW system. It is actually because PVSW got all my code that I really >have none left since I stopped using Tango when I left PVSW. So now - >again, I'd love to know if you got any of that. If so, I would love for >it to be released since I'm specifically interested in getting my hands >on it :) > > > > > I believe that when Witango 5.0 is released that we will have a stable > > and > > scaleable architecture in the server that will allow us to move on to > > the > > more interesting feature like JDBC, DOM3/XPath/XSLT, native db > > interfaces, > > SOAP, EJB, etc. And the list will always go on. Once again, we rely > > on you > > all as a community to help shape the future of Witango, so get > > involved. > > > > I think that is enough from me. I need sleep. > > > > BTW, the correct pronunciation of 'Witango' is not 'Why Tango', it is a > > short 'i' as in the word 'with' or 'wit'. Like in the word litany - > > which > > is probably what this thread is going to turn into. > >Perception is reality. If its perceived as "Why Tango" then that's what >it'll be called. You have to accept the reality of that and trying to >force anything else down people's perception is pretty much a waste of >time. It would have been dramatically better to change the name >completely. WiTango is too close to the original name, yet different >enough to cause problems. > >-- >Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > >Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management >http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > >zoomzoom > >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
