On 10/11/2013 23:32, Carlos R. Mafra wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 at 23:43:35 +0100, Rodolfo García Peñas (kix) wrote: >> >> >> "Carlos R. Mafra" <crma...@gmail.com> escribió: >> >>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 at 21:55:16 +0000, Rodolfo García Peñas (kix) >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Carlos R. Mafra" <crma...@gmail.com> escribió: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 at 19:19:21 +0000, Rodolfo García Peñas (kix) >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is: "Could you accept a patch in the git that you >>> don't >>>>>> agree with?" >>>>> >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> and about this question: >>>> >>>> ->> You're talking about forcing him to discard his aesthetic? >>>> -> The question is, is their project or is our project? >>>> -> If wmaker is their project, he can do everyting. If is our >>>> -> project, perhaps he should hear us. Please, choose, is our or >>> yours? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma >> >> Why? Should I split the questions? >> >> Is yours or our? > > You are trying to create an artificial separation where there is none. > Why do you want to exclude me from your "our"?
That is not true. I don't want to exclude you from the "our". This is not a personal attack to you. As I said, you are doing a good work with window maker. Is very difficult for me explain some things in english. So, what is the problem? For me wmaker is a hobbie. I spent a lot of time writting patches, thinking about new ideas. Sometimes I make mistakes and you request me some changes in my patches, and that is perfect. But, IMO, you cannot drop a patch only because you don't agree with. I am not working for you, I am working for the wmaker project, for the users. If you say what is accepted or not, without ask more people, developers; If only you take the decission about what is included or not, then wmaker is your project, and I won't contribute on it. > >>> Finally, what do you think about add more commiters to wmaker and >>>> dockapps repo? >>> >>> A bad idea. >> >> Why? > > I believe there must be only one person with the final word, otherwise > discussions and disagreements will generate tensions and they will > have to be resolved by political means. That is your point of view. If I sent patches and you drop them, it will create tensions between us. If you think that a patch shouldn't be included, you ask about it to the developers, and they say that the patch is ok, you should include it, but if the developers say "no", I can understand that I did a wrong patch. > I try to listen to other people and I change my mind too. For example, my > first reaction to the WINGs theming patch was that we don't need this. Yes. After some mails. And about this? http://www.mail-archive.com/wmaker-dev@lists.windowmaker.org/msg03294.html Why it should be a configure option or a DEBUG option? (I don't want the reply). Other developer said that the patch is ok, and for me. But your decission had more weight. > But the patch makes the code a bit cleaner too, other people seemed > to like the idea and there is no impact in the code. I still think it's > not useful to change the look of the widgets, but I'm going to accept > the patch nevertheless. > > See? That should have answered your question about whether I accept > things that I don't "agree" or rather, that I don't like. > > But nothing seem to matter to you anymore, you already proposed to fork > because you find unacceptable to have only one commiter (I wonder > what you think about the linux kernel and its single commiter). The problem is not that we have only one commiter. I don't want to be a commiter, is a terrible work. The problem is that only you, take the decissions about what can be uploaded or not. IMO: - Developers -> write patches and give the opinion about patches. - Commiter -> upload the patches that the developers accepts. IMO, in a democratic idea, the commiter only upload patches. The decission is done by the developers. Of course, the commiter probably is a developer and can give the oppinion, but is only one developer more. See this image about code review (gerrit) http://aniszczyk.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gerrit.png The people can vote the patches. > Let me ask you. From the past couple of years of development what would > _you_ have done differently? How many patches of disagreement are motivating > you to create a fork? I don't want to create a fork, but I cannot accept that only you take the decissions about my work. I can accept that my patches won't be uploaded if the developer team say no, but not only you, because is my hobbie time. -- ||// //\\// Rodolfo "kix" Garcia ||\\// //\\ http://www.kix.es/ -- To unsubscribe, send mail to wmaker-dev-unsubscr...@lists.windowmaker.org.
