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From: "James Jeffery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:27:32 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
All Rounders are good, im one myself aswell, but dont expect to
jump in
and become good at everything, thats what im saying. And also, being
an All Rounder is not a good thing sometime's, the main reason
being that
jobs
wont be completed as quick as a team of developers could do it, ive
lost a
few
clients due to this. I found it better for myself (lower stress
levels ect.)
to get
a job in one area, and in spare time, or personal jobs do/learn the
rest of
it. Im currently a front-end developer, but it helps me alot to know
back-end.
Money wise, if you work for a company an all rounder wont be on
that much
pay
extra, and usually the stress load is alot higher. Ive seen jobs for
back-end developers
at 22k a year, and jobs for front-end (HTML/CSS/JS only) for 28k a
year. (UK
Pounds).
But even so, over the years, you will pick up all these languages
if your
intrests are strong in web development, and you will become an all
rounder
naturally.
:P
On 7/12/07, Joseph Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are interested in being and "all-rounder", don't let anyone
scare
you away from it. I'm an "all-rounder" (designer/developer I would
call it), a one-man company. On my sites I do all the planning,
information layout, designing and coding - everything. (X)HTML, CSS,
javascript, PHP, MySQL on every site and before that ASP and MSSQL
(until 2006).
The design process starts with pencil and paper. After bot 3-4
sheets
of scribbles and squares zooming to and fro all over the paper, I
have a
worthy layout done. Then a wireframe is made in photoshop. Then the
design is made. Then it gets chopped and pages marked up. Then the
database gets built. Then the PHP is coded to stitch the front
and back
together. If time is left over some javascript is sprinkled in to
taste. I hope that each site combines all the elements a little more
smoothly than last time creating a continued progression as I go.
As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and more
all
over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with
your
knowledge.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
Sites by Joe, LLC
http://sitesbyjoe.com
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Breton Slivka wrote:
On 7/12/07, *Hassan Schroeder* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
, you are wrong about graphic design.
..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a "Graphic
Designer"
(or worse, mislabeled "Web Designer") that looked for
anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing
about
BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed.
For the vast majority of such positions, it's all about
"purty". :-)
Seriously. I do know exceptions -- Darrell Sano, who I worked
with
at Sun, comes to mind -- but they're few and far between. Far
too
far.
That is an error in the Ads you've seen, and in the Advertiser's
understanding of Graphic Design being just as flawed as yours.
This is
not an error in my definition of Graphic Design. I will not dispute
that many self proclaimed "Graphic Designers" hold the same flawed
view. This is a serious problem, which may be too big for me to
singlehandedly handle, but a problem nonethless. To give an analogy,
one could easily advertise for an accountant who is proficient in
the
use of Quicken and TurboTax. However this would be a flawed
advertisement, as proficiency in those programs does not a qualified
accountant make. Nor does proficiency in photoshop make a qualified
Graphic Designer, nor would proficiency in Dreamweaver make a
qualified Web Developer, nor Proficiency in MySQL a qualified
Database
Designer.
Indeed, a common view of Surgeons may be that all they do is cut
people up and shift things around, discounting any knowledge they
may
have of human anatomy, or medical science. Now imagine if there
were a
bunch of surgeons running around getting hired who had the same
flawed
perspective. It would be very difficult for a proper surgeon to gain
any sense of credibility wouldn't it? That problem is real in
both Web
Development, and Graphic Design. Given that it's something both
fields
have in common, I would expect us to be able to team up to fight
such
perceptions, but sadly this is not the case for practitioners in
either profession, as they each suffer from the misperceptions of
the
other.
It makes me sad.
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