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From: "Marvin Hunkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:13:59 +0930
Subject: Re: WSG Digest
Hi.
yes, i know how to do html, css, javascript, and use notepad, but
had to use
dream weaver for one subjects, which was to improve a site, and have a
flashy macromedia flash splash page, which i got a distinction for
that,
importing a flash control, a audio track, and putting together
images in
cells.
and now, the only problem, is to understand how layers work.
i know how html, css, and javascript work.
it is the visual design.
well, the course deals with both front end and back end design.
and photoshop is going to be a challenge, as i do not think it
works well
with jaws.
cheers Marvin.
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From: "James Jeffery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:06:33 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
Hi Marvin,
It sounds like your trying to do to much to soon.
First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.
1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive
knowledge in
graphics
applications such as photoshop, illustrator or fireworks.
2) Front End - This is the coding side of things, the HTML, CSS and
Javascript. Some
front end developers can design aswell.
3) Back End - This is the PHP, MySQL, Java, ASP, Perl and other web
based
languages*.
Alot of back end developers spend so much time behind what you see
that they
dont know
much about developing front end, but still, alot of people can and
do know
all 3.
There is more sides to the web, but i wont discuss them. To me it
sounds
like your trying to take
on all 3, without having any working knowledge, or not enough
knowledge of
any.
Personally i think you should sit back, and ask yourself what you
want to do
over the next 2 years,
is it front end, or back end, or purley design? And when you've
made up your
mind, spend the time
and learn more. If you cant grasp layers for design, your in a bit
of a mess
as this is real basic stuff,
so understanding how photoshop works would be a great start, but
you can't
expect yourself to
learn this all in a day.
Do what feels right, but at the moment, i would'nt waste anymore
time and/or
money on this course
until you can get to grips with the basics, which is at least
Photoshop,
HTML and CSS.
There are some good resources out there, search google.
Good luck, and keep sticking at it, i can recommend a few good
books if you
need. I will give you one
tip, if your going to be doing front end (HTML, CSS, JS) try to use
notepad
or notepad++, dont bother
with WYSIWYG editors such as dreamweaver ect. Notepad and the W3C
Manuals
should be enough
to learn the foundations.
Kind Regards
On 7/11/07, Susan Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here are some helpful links:
Color Design:
http://www.sessions.edu/career_center/design_tools/
color_calculator/index.asp
and
Color Theory:
http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/color-theory-basics.html
Sample CSS Page Design Layouts for understanding how templates
layout design
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/page_layouts/
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts
Hope this helps - Susan
On 7/10/07, Marvin Hunkin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi.
just wondering, any one able to give advice, help, tips, tricks and
techniques.
now, failed my two visual design subjects in my web site design
course.
--
Susan R. Grossman
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From: James Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:54:20 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
James Ellis wrote:
Hi
This is true, the C4 course in Web Technology or whatever it is
called
now at TAFE NSW aims to give everyone a grounding knowledge in the
fundementals of well, web technology. This includes graphic design,
database design, server side coding, project management and many
others.
And this is, generally, desirable. Many people don't know what topics
interest them. Others think they know, but then find another area more
appealing. And even those that know exactly what they are
interested in
benefit from that area being placed in some kind of context. As you
move
up through the AQTF toward higher level qualifications you will find
that the knowledge and skills become more specific and are treated in
increasing depth. For those who feel that they have the necessary
skills
to skip a stage there are typically advanced standing provisions to
demonstrate they have the pre-requisite skills. The Cert IV is mostly
front end, with the diploma looking at server-side, although different
campuses will choose a different mix of electives.
Some people find they are good at all, although that's rare, and they
take this knowledge into being a good all rounder. Others find one
topic that interests them. That's the value of a course like that,
although they might not teach everything to top spec (at least they
didn't in 2000).
I think that web design education, like web design, has moved forward
since 2000. At least in the campuses I have worked at there was a
focus
on semantics, CSS layout, accessibility and the likes. It is easy to
think back to the days when we were at college and say they didn't
even
mention CSS, but its like looking back at old table based sites
that you
created back in the day. shudder.
Having said that, it varies between campuses and institutions.
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