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From: "Breton Slivka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:48:25 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
On 7/12/07, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not that this will necessarily address Marvin's issues, but I just
couldn't let it go by :-)
First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.
1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive
knowledge
in graphics applications such as photoshop, illustrator or
fireworks.
To which I'd say -- sorry, no, that's *graphic* design.
Real "web design" addresses business needs, information architecture,
user experience and interaction design. It's what enables creation of
wireframes or monochrome undecorated prototypes for usability testing
long before any graphic artist's involvement.
Without that, you're just painting pictures in markup...
IMO :-)
--
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com
dream. code.
Argghh no! the ignorance! Just stop going about thinking you know what
you're talking about when it comes to Graphic Design! Graphic
Design isn't
"Make it Purdy", Graphic design isn't "Learn how to use photoshop".
It's
exactly that perception that leads to awful website after awful
website.
Certainly, aesthetic beauty is a *side effect* of the design
process, but
*do not* make the mistake of thinking that's what graphic design is.
Graphic design for print design has four aspects:
Client Needs
Audience Expectations
Process (Identifying the problem space, going through many iterations,
selecting the best solutions, and iterative refinement. This
involves a A
knowledge of the principles of good typography, and the principles
of good
visual design of course, but it is not pure visual design)
Craftsmanship
The graphic design process on the web is no different.
A Good graphic designer (one who is familiar with what graphic design
actually is, rather than the ignorant stereotype you just
displayed) Should
be involved in the process as EARLY and as OFTEN as possible. Not
in the
last step as you suggest. *Most* of this Graphic Designer's time
should be
spent with pencils and paper, and not in Photoshop or Illustrator.
A great
deal of time evaluating the problem at hand, and iteratively
simplifying the
solution. This is graphic design. If this is not what you've found in
graphic designers in the past, then you have accidentally hired a
Stylist,
or possibly an Illustrator, not a graphic designer.
Please do not slander my profession in the future.
And P.S. this is a little tongue in cheek, so don't take too much
offense.
But seriously, you are wrong about graphic design.
From: Adeline Yaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:48:55 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites
I'm currently doing the same course as
Marvin (different stage and campus) and I don't think its a hinderance
to be exposed to all sides of web development. I don't think they want
us (students) to become all-rounders but to at least develop
fundamental basics so if we are interested (eg. databases or graphic
side of the web) we can then move into specialised fields or do
further
study eg. do a programming certificate (learning java and c sharp) or
database design/development or multimedia design...
I'll be continuing my cert iv course in website design then moving
into
the diploma course in website development (to learn more back-end
languages eg. ajax, php, mysql and asp.net) starting next year.
Seona Bellamy wrote:
The
trouble is that if this is part of a university/college course, then
you don't get a choice. I mean, I knew what I wanted to specialise in,
but I had to do all sorts of things during my degree course just so I
could get that little piece of paper at the end. And while I
technically didn't have to do brilliantly at all of them (except for
the sake of my academic pride!) I did at least have to do well enough
at all of them to pass.
Any sort of schooling tends to try and turn out all-rounders. If you
want to specialise, then do some independent study (certification
courses, etc) once you have your bit of paper. :) Or, during, if
you're
as impatient as I am and can't be bothered waiting.
~Seona.
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