Designer (Bob) wrote: > Those images just cannot be appreciated by someone who > cannot see them. No amount of descriptive prose will > mean anything to to a blind reader. I've never heard such shit in my life.
Designer (Bob) wrote: > I personally do use alt tags, every time : but I am > aware of situations where they are pretty useless. Bob, I suspect the problem is that you don't know how to use alt text correctly. Let me backup my statement with some examples from your Web site. On your home page: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/index.php You've made your company logo, an information image, into a decorative image: <img src="opening/graphics/gaminternet.gif" alt=""/> On this page: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.php You've made an images of quote marks, decorative images, into an informative images: <img src="graphics/8220.gif" alt="leftquote graphic" .../> <img src="graphics/8221.gif" alt="leftquote graphic" .../> You also put one of these decorative images with alt text into the middle of a sentence so the sentence now reads like this: "We have been involved in professional computing for more leftquote graphic than 20 years ..." In another graphic on this page, I don't know what this alt text means: <img src="graphics/marramgrass.gif" alt=" " ... /> Bob, the following link may help you better understand the difference between decorative and non-decorative images: http://xhtml.com/en/xhtml/reference/img/ Regards, -Vlad http://xhtml.com -------- Original Message -------- From: Designer Date: 2007-09-08 1:22 PM > Rahul Gonsalves wrote: >> On 31-Aug-07, at 11:08 PM, Designer wrote: >> >>> Well Vlad, whether it fits your conception or not, there is such a >>> thing as a site whose prime function is visual. The only >>> 'information' in the site I mentioned is what something 'looks >>> like'. If you can't see it, there is nothing you can do to help that. >>> It's a sad fact of life I'm afraid. >> >> Bob, >> >> While not quite in direct response to your statement, I thought I'd >> share this article from over at A List Apart: >> >> http://alistapart.com/articles/revivinganorexicwebwriting >> >> Specifically the 'A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words' bit. >> >> "I admit to having overlooked alt text. Until a year ago I sniffed at >> the idea of creating useful alt text for images. �If a user is blind,� >> I reasoned, �what does he care that I have a photograph of the >> university tower on my website?� >> >> My fellow designer shrugged. �Well, I guess if you don�t really care >> about what the image says,� she said slowly, �you really don�t need it >> in the first place.�" >> >> Best, >> - Rahul. >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* >> >> >> >> > Hi Rahul., > > Whilst interesting and quite valid, I think the article is not about > stuff on web sites that are primarily visual art. What I mean is that > the sort of stuff which is purely visual poetry cannot have an alt tag > which adds anything other than a 'lable'. Consider (just as an example) > a web site to accompany a show by Mark Rothko, with a handful of images > from the show displayed on the site. Those images just cannot be > appreciated by someone who cannot see them. No amount of descriptive > prose will mean anything to to a blind reader. (In fact, the images lose > a lot compared to their actual presence in the gallery, even for > sighted viewers). > > In case you are unfamiliar with Rothko, you can see stuff at : > http://www.nga.gov/feature/rothko/classic1.shtm. > Using this arbitrary example, I still maintain that a site of images > such as any of these will be of no more value to a blind user for having > alt tags, other than to point out that 'there is a picture there'. Of > what, the blind user has no idea because they are impossible to describe. > > I personally do use alt tags, every time : but I am aware of situations > where they are pretty useless. > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *******************************************************************
