John,

You have multiple people telling you to first eliminate any possible source of RF that may be causing the problem.  This advice is based on a history of seeing many users having the same issues you are, and then finding that they're getting a leak into their cables, usually a USB cable.    You haven't told us whether or not you've eliminated RF as the issue, but keep pointing toward the software.

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 6/7/2018 12:18 AM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:
Are you running Vista-64?

There are vast differences in these operating systems.

This thread reminds me of the saying when someone only has a hammer in their toolbox.

Again, the OP should be read, understood, and answered.

I think some here think software is perfect; and all platforms produce identical results.

I've posted a bug; plain and simple.



On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 8:19 PM Neil Zampella <ne...@techie.com <mailto:ne...@techie.com>> wrote:

    Can you prove that its not RF in the shack?   If you can verify
    that RF is not causing it then its a bug, otherwise, there is no
    issues with the software in your case.

    Neil, KN3ILZ


    On 6/6/2018 5:27 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:
    OK, so we're 100% clear - and I want this bug report to be that:

    RF is causing the WSJT-X thread to hang in such a way it cannot
    be killed on my Vista-64 machine?

    Is that the claim?

    73's,
    John
    AJ6BC


    On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel
    <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
    <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote:

        Nobody is claiming hamlib is bug-free. But the problem you
        are reporting has occurred to LOTS of people and the problem
        is almost always the same...RF in the shack and on the lines.

        You'll find your problem is band-specific.  Transmitting 0W
        never fails.  Transmitting into a dummy load never fails. 
        All of that will prove it is RF.

        As Jim said, grounding can be an issue too.  Many ops have
        improper grounding (namely a rod stuck in the ground outside
        their shack which is not bonded to the house ground).

        de Mike W9MDB




        On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, 3:53:11 PM CDT, John C.
        Westmoreland, P.E. <j...@westmorelandengineering.com
        <mailto:j...@westmorelandengineering.com>> wrote:


        Jim,

        OK - so the claim I'm reading here is Hamlib is 1000%
        bug-free regarding Vista-64?  I'm very skeptical about that;
        the most obvious issue and nothing mentioned thus
        far obviates this.

        I'm looking into the obvious first.  If my rig was so poorly
        configured; how in the world did I make a contact with Argentina?

        And, I've made a lot of other contacts.  Including Virginia,
        North Carolina, New York, and North Dakota not to mention
        Japan.  And Arizona, and California, and
        Oregon, and Washington...

        Since the thread running WSJT-X can't be killed; I'm looking
        into that first; and the cause of that.

        The next obvious step for me is to make builds myself and
        look into the source code.

        73's,
        John
        AJ6BC


        On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Jim Brown
        <k...@audiosystemsgroup.com
        <mailto:k...@audiosystemsgroup.com>> wrote:

            On 6/6/2018 12:36 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:

                That's an interesting hypothesis.  Since USB is
                differential signaling - it has some noise immunity;
                but I will definitely check into this.


            Hum/buzz gets into our systems as a result of failure to
            implement proper bonding between interconnected
            equipment, combined with improper termination of shields
            within equipment by their designers. Study my tutorial on
            this, which goes through both circuit analysis of the
            problem and details good engineering practice.

            http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAu dio.pdf
            <http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf>

            Or study N0AX's new ARRL book on the topic, which was
            inspired by my tutorial, and to which I made many
            contributions.

            73, Jim K9YC


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