On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:41 AM Stephen Ireland <vk3...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
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> I realise that Joe K1JT has recommended that for 2.0 RC4 that we should be
> transmitting above 2000hz in offset.
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> Many of us have radios (i.e. non-SDR’s such as Yaesu’s and Pre-SDR-based
> Icom’s) that have known “performance curves” – even at digital settings -
> meaning that AF/sound fed to or taken from our radios below around 500 Hz
> and above around 2200Hz are not reproduced in a “linear fashion” by our
> radios . This is evidenced by the way that to maintain constant output
> power across the entire usable spectrum one must “adjust” the AF “Power”
> drive control as one shifts Tx frequency.
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> Some of us are in so called “far away places” to prime development
> environs and have what some will call compromised antenna systems i.e. wire.
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> There is considerable anecdotal discussion on backchannels and
> “unofficial” forums that FT8v2 is not performing as well as FT8v1 on
> congested bands. I am swayed to the direction of this opinion at this stage
> – based upon the number of unsuccessful QSO completion attempts. My
> observed “unsuccessful” rate is in excess of 50% with v2. With v1 is around
> 10%.
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> [ “Unsuccessful” definition is that the QSO cannot get beyond the RRR
> state and that the QSO must be aborted ].
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> Yes there are far more transmitting v1 than v2.
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> I am not prepared to make definitive judgement at this point ...
> especially without more FT8v2 QSOs ... remembering the once highly
> respected Fleishman and Pons and their final collaboration !
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> Perhaps more experimentation is needed now below 2000 Hz-in-offset across
> all bands i.e. where everyone is Tx’s above everyone, stations ignore the
> “Tx on 50Hz” conventions and hence transmit partially over other stations,
> and the general chaos of AR rules etc... before V2 goes fully live on the 10
> th December?
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> Yes I can fully see the consequences – and hence chaos – that this may
> create.
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> 73
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> Steve I
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> VK3VM / VK3SIR
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