We never want to remove all our skills from the operations - right? Alan McDonald Worimi Country 0413 657 427
-----Original Message----- From: Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 5:31 PM To: 'WSJT software development' <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: Reino Talarmo <reino.tala...@kolumbus.fi> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX Cabrillo log time Well, it depends on the band and propagation mode. At crowded HF bands getting the first report is the issue. At VHF bands situation is diffent, meteor scatter can be an extreme example, but also QSB could require many report and report confirmation repeats before a RRR or RR73 is received. 73, Reino OH3mA > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel [mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net] > Sent: torstai 11. toukokuuta 2023 10.17 > To: 'WSJT software development' <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: Alan McDonald <a...@meta.com.au> > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX Cabrillo log time > > Well typically you can spend a long time calling (off and on) and then when the > counterparty responds it takes on 60 secs to complete. > As far as the counterparty is concerned, it never started until 60 sec prior to > complete. > > Alan McDonald > Worimi Country > 0413 657 427 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 5:08 PM > To: 'WSJT software development' <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: Reino Talarmo <reino.tala...@kolumbus.fi> > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX Cabrillo log time > > Hi Saku and Alan, > > I think that Alan already pointed a least indirectly that the > definition of the > actual start time is a bit more difficult than a defining end time. > Also end time > may be difficult, if participants have different opinion e.g. > whether a final 73 is needed or not. I have not studied, whether the > end time is > the reception and the sending of the first or last RR73 or RRR. It may > be also the > actual qso logging time. > > 73, Reino OH3mA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan McDonald via wsjt-devel > [mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net] > > Sent: torstai 11. toukokuuta 2023 9.59 > > To: 'WSJT software development' <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Cc: Alan McDonald <a...@meta.com.au> > > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX Cabrillo log time > > > > I agree, big problem also for chasing rare DX that takes quite some > > time, sometimes to complete. > > I have to be diligent and make sure my log uses OFF and not ON > > because the counterparty has OFF in their log. > > I wish there was an option to leave checked = Use OFF time for > > ON/OFF > > > > Alan McDonald > > VK1AO > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Saku via wsjt-devel <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:38 PM > > To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > Cc: Saku <oh...@sral.fi> > > Subject: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX Cabrillo log time > > > > HI! > > > > Just worked a short OH-FT8 contest that uses "NA VHF" settings with > WSJT-X. > > I had my logging program using UDP remote connect to WSJT-X and once > > contest was over I created Cabrillo logs. From WSJT-X and from my > > logging program. > > Just to compare. > > > > Then I started to wonder....why logs differ? > > > > Further investigation from WSJT-X adi log showed out that WSJT-X > > uses "time_off" as Cabrillo time, while my logging program uses "time_on" > > for > it. > > Difference, when it happens, is usually 1-2 minutes. But if it > > happens, in > very > > poor conditions, that completing qso needs many periods that time > difference > > may grow to several minutes, I think. (Depending on used contest format. > NA > > VHF is quite straight, while EU VHF has a period more to > > exchange) > > > > I checked Cabrillo definitions from wwrof.org but there seems to be > > no definition about QSO record time (start or end of qso). > > That is perhaps because in traditional CW or Phone contests the time > > is > always > > QSO start time as qsos take only few seconds. > > > > FT8 world is a bit different, or is it anyway? > > > > On what bases it has been chosen that WSJT-X uses qso end time as > > Cabrillo time? > > > > > > -- > > Saku > > OH1KH > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel _______________________________________________ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel _______________________________________________ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
