Thanks for the clarification and apologies for the language.

Cheers,

Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia

On 19/04/2012, at 11:53 PM, Jari Bakken <jari.bak...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You raise a valid point about the fact that we don't detect the loss
> of focus, and that it leads to silent failures. Detecting this is a
> hard problem, and if someone has time and knowledge to help out, we're
> all ears. This is a specific problem though, not a general problem
> with the IE driver. Adding the ability to run the IE driver with
> synthesized events is something that's being actively worked on. It
> would not entail a "rewrite" of the driver at all.
>
> When it comes to browser automation, I think we should focus on
> working together to improve the WebDriver drivers whenever we find
> issues. I'll actively work against adding support for watir-classic to
> the watir-webdriver gem as long as I have a commit bit.
>
> For the record, I don't think the language you're using to describe
> people's volunteer work is constructive. Especially when the person in
> question is someone who has helped you personally on Twitter / Stack
> Overflow, and in general bends over backwards to make the drivers as
> good as possible.
>
> Jari
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Alister Scott <alister.sc...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> I've realized the hard way over the last few weeks that the technology in
>> the IE WebDriver drivers is really shit. (I've been using C# but it's the
>> same driver code underneath). For example, it continually doesn't perform
>> actions when it loses focus, but doesn't complain, do future actions don't
>> work. This is because it uses 'native' events which require 100% focus
>> otherwise they think they work, but don't.
>>
>> So, I reckon Watir-webdriver should switch to the classic watir driver when
>> controlling IE: and use webdriver drivers for everything else.
>>
>> That way it'd be a real differentiator: and we wouldn't lose all the great
>> work Jarmo has done.
>>
>> And at some point the IE webdriver bindings need a rewrite to not use the
>> native events. That way all the other languages C#, Java etc would get
>> better IE support.
>>
>> Perhaps someone experienced in writing the original Watir IE driver can help
>> Jim Evans to make it robust.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alister Scott
>> Brisbane, Australia
>>
>> On 18/04/2012, at 10:54 PM, "Željko Filipin" <zeljko.fili...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> We have talked about a few things at the Bazaar. I needed a few weeks to get
>> back in track after returning home (the Bazaar was the end of more than two
>> month long trip), but now I want to get things moving.
>>
>> I have a few questions.
>>
>> 1) What is the status of Watir 3.0? Are we releasing it soon?
>>
>> 2) I hope a few people will join me in updating Watir documentation (wiki,
>> podcast...) in the next few weeks. The podcast has a new team, they have
>> already released one episode:
>>
>> http://watirpodcast.com/
>>
>> I remember a few people at the Bazaar said they would like to help. Should
>> we create another list to communicate, or should we do it here?
>>
>> 3) I think the agreement was to move my Watir Book to Watir repository at
>> Github. That means the book is no longer my personal project, but community
>> project. I would change the license from the current creative commons to BSD
>> (to be the same as Watir). I think I can do that because I am the only major
>> contributor. (I did have a few minor contributions.)
>>
>> I would still reserve the right to accept or reject pull requests. That
>> would also mean that I would no longer sell the book, but provide all
>> formats for free and ask for donations for Watir project. I think we will
>> get less money that way, but it is not all about the money, right? (I was
>> selling 0,42 books per day since 2011-09-21. The date is few days since
>> Watir Book 0.7 was released.)
>>
>> I think I had a few more things, but nothing comes to my mind right now.
>> Will ask later when I remember.
>>
>> Željko
>> --
>> watir.com/book - author
>>
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