On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Richard Karnesky <[email protected]> wrote: >> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:49:07 -0400 >> From: Rintze Zelle <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [xbiblio-devel] use of CSL styles in Peaya with changed >> attribution >> >> In related news, I recently updated the CSL schema to disallow the cs:rights >> element in cs:info for dependent styles, as I think we shouldn't bother with >> licensing those (none of the existing dependent styles include a cs:rights >> element). > > > Rintze contacted me off-list because (contrary to the above) dependent > styles I wrote did use this and other recently removed elements. I'll > just throw in my two cents: I think that it was useful for dependent > styles to have authors/contributors that have apparently been removed > from the schema recently. Rintze also noticed that two of the > AIP-dependent styles I wrote used the same title & was able to contact > me for clarification. A point of contact is useful for many things. > If I see a dependent style doesn't seem quite right for a paper I'm > writing, do I fork the style into a dependent one? Do I modify the > style it is dependent on, changing the output for all other dependent > styles? Or perhaps I should just add an ISSN or other identifying > information to let me know that the dependent style applies to some > other journal whose name happens to be similar to the name of some > different journal I'm actually writing to. Being able to ask for > clarification seems like a good thing. I'd like to see the author > elements restored.
That seems reasonable to me, but I have no strong opinion either way. > Regarding rights: I know that Bruce has taken the position that ALL > CSL styles are not copyrightable. Neither of us are lawyers, but I've > talked to lawyers about this issue. Lawyers never give you a straight > answer, but the informal consensus I got was that the US copyright > laws were so all-encompassing that they probably are subject to US > copyright & that we should act as if they are, as we don't really lose > anything if we do. Just to be clear, I have not taken any position on this, since IANAL. I have only raised questions, most specifically about what a "BY" clause on an individual style would mean practically (the larger question is whether this is really a creative work, and thus whether CC licenses are most appropriate at all). > The dependent styles are much less expressive than the independent > styles & much less is lost if they are somehow used contrary to > CC-BY-SA. But I don't know whether this, alone, is reason to remove > the rights tag. I suppose I just don't see what real benefit doing > that will bring. I have a feeling Rintze is more worrying about future hypothetical issues. Are we OK with someone submitting a dependent style to the repo that has rights like "all rights reserved; contact author for permission to use"? It would be nice if we could clear up the legal issues how, and then adopt policies accordingly. Bruce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay _______________________________________________ xbiblio-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbiblio-devel
