On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Wyrm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 16 January 2011 10:19, Cory Fields <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Arne Morten Kvarving >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Wyrm <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 January 2011 08:02, Cory Fields <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Wyrm <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Cory, >> >>> > >> >>> > back from camping trip and have had a chance to fix the issues from >> >>> > the >> >>> > last >> >>> > time I submitted the skin, so here goes. >> >>> > >> >>> > Initial pull request, part II >> >>> > >> >>> > - addon -skin.xtv-saf >> >>> > - version - 1.0.0 >> >>> > - url - >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-repo-wyrm/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fskin.xtv-saf >> >>> > - branch - trunk >> >>> > - revision - 138 >> >>> > - xbmc version - dharma, eden-pre >> >>> > >> >>> > Regards >> >>> > Wyrm >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> Sorry for the late response, CES has kept me busy for the last week. >> >>> >> >>> We still need to figure out what to do with those scripts. I've talked >> >>> to the other devs and they agree.. skins should not be packaging >> >>> scripts. >> >>> >> >>> Please explain in detail why you can't just ship your themes with the >> >>> main >> >>> skin? >> >>> >> >> Cory, >> >> >> >> While I still don't understand how you can manage to ship a skin with >> >> multiple .xbt files in the /media directory that is by the by. Here >> >> are my >> >> reasons why I think using my script is a much better solution to >> >> providing >> >> skin themes. >> >> >> >> You mentioned previously that most people download a skin, take a look >> >> at it >> >> and then move on. Surely providing multiple themes in the main >> >> download >> >> when most people will never use then makes little sense. My script >> >> downloads a theme when required by a user, no redundant themes provided >> >> in >> >> the initial download. >> >> Ok, if you think providing redundant themes in a skin is fine, just how >> >> many >> >> can you provide before it just gets out of hand? I have four themes >> >> currently ready and being used for my skin, but I have over ten that >> >> where >> >> previously available for xTV that I will at some point provide for the >> >> skin >> >> after converting to my package format. >> >> Not a problem for my skin, but each theme takes up space. At about 1-2 >> >> Meg >> >> for each theme, what happens when we start knocking on your 75M skin >> >> size >> >> limit? My themes are hosted on a googlecode page, so no issues for you >> >> with >> >> space to store themes or the bandwidth to download them. >> >> Ok, I've just discovered a small problem with my theme. Your way, I >> >> have to >> >> submit a pull request for an update, wait for you to accept the pull >> >> and >> >> upload to your servers. My way, make change to theme package, upload >> >> to >> >> googlecode page and then post a message to the forum telling anyone >> >> using >> >> that particular theme to re-download the theme.. Which way is better? >> >> As mentioned before themes generally require two files (a colour.xml >> >> file >> >> and a colour.xbt file). If someone else wants to provide themes for my >> >> skin >> >> they can zip up the two files and post a link to the file. User then >> >> only >> >> has to download the file to my extras/themes directory and press >> >> Install >> >> theme button to have my script unpack the files to their correct >> >> directories. >> > >> > rewrite the script to be general purpose, submit a pull request for >> > it, then depend on it in the skin. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks >> > Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand >> > malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you >> > can protect your company and customers by using code signing. >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xbmc-addons mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >> > >> >> Yep, what he said. >> > Yep, I can't get a skin past you, what chance does a non script writer have > getting two scripts past the grumpy troll Spiff. Basically you are saying > remove the scripts (the irony of this is pretty mind blowing. Xbox gets the > full version of the skin and Non XBox get the lite version). Or I spend > weeks trying to get two small scripts up to standard (which ultimately I > will be the only skinner to use). Not much of a choice. > >> >> It may be easier for your skin, but packaging scripts makes our life >> harder. Also, it may be high SAF, but then what happens when your S >> switches to another skin and looks for "System->Themes" ? > > Not sure what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that every skin > should look like Confluence? >> >> We have plans for breaking skins into components in the future (fonts, >> icons, themes, etc). We ask that you please abide by our guidelines >> for now. > > Sorry, I obviously missed this e-mail/wiki/forum ? entry, could you please > point me in the correct direction so that I might have a tiny chance of > making the repo for some future release. > > Thanks Cory, but at this stage it would seem there is no chance of making > the repo any-time soon. While I have not been able to make the repo, at > least the the skin did benefit from the going over it got during the process > > Wyrm > >
There's no need for namecalling. We put forward a set of rules to be in the repo, that (we hope) guarantee the same good user experience for all skins. We have to maintain them, and we've decided that scripts in a skin are not maintainable. It would be a shame to leave your skin out because of a detail (themes), especially when we've already worked with skinners to get it solved. How about we meet in the middle.. you bundle some themes with your skin, and offer the script on the forum for users who would like more? Breaking the skins into components has been discussed on this list, but there are no official plans yet. Cory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl _______________________________________________ Xbmc-addons mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons
