Well, so the colouring scheme says red must only be used for warnings, which is
kind of logical and sure worth some effort to implement in order to create a
consistent GUI. It does not say, though, that the logger icon must be red, does
it? If I read that right, a non-red logger icon would not be any issue, then?
That means my proposed solution would still work, or also using a green logger
icon for "recording status OK", and a grey one for logger not active would,
leaving its position as is?
I do personally like to have a permanent status display of such important
functions as GPS and logger status, tough if I should decide which info box to
sacrifice for it, I would probably create an additional page with "further
gauges" so I could look it up when in doubt, but keep all the other info boxes
as needed for the flight phase the pages were set up for. That would lead to
more interaction (not desirable) or to a situation where the stauts was just
neglected all flight long (also not desirable).
Viele Grüße,
Martin Kopplow
---
Am 09.06.2011 um 17:45 schrieb "Schoen, Andre (Siemens TS)"
<andre.sch...@siemens.com>:
> Hi Martin,
>
> Interesting ideas, but would that not get us back in to the issues with the
> colouring scheme?
>
> I would have thought that there is no limit on Info Boxes, particularly now
> where you can configure several different pages where you tailor the boxes to
> what you would like
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andre
>
> From: martin.kopp...@gmx.de [mailto:martin.kopp...@gmx.de]
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:29 PM
> Cc: xcsoar user
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Logger icon
>
> The number of info boxes is somewhat limited, so using up another one for the
> logger icon does seem a bit odd to me. Why not use someting that is on the
> screen any way and make it change to reflect the GPS and logger condition?
> For example could - in case of a GPS interruption - the plane symbol fill
> color turn red or so, and in case of a logger failure it could be reduced to
> an outline without fill, kinda greyed out.
> That would take care of being easily recognizeable and wouldn't waste any
> screen real estate at all. A grey or red plane icon would immediately create
> awareness and convey the unreliability of the currently displayed state.
>
> Also could the trail be used to display logged vs. not logged flight path.
>
> Viele Grüße,
> Martin Kopplow
>
>
> ---
>
> Am 09.06.2011 um 14:26 schrieb "George" <tin.wi...@virgin.net>:
>
>> Andre,
>>
>> Great minds think alike! An info box selected as such in the set up is what
>> is needed.
>>
>> George
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Schoen, Andre (Siemens TS)
>> To: Simon Taylor
>> Cc: xcsoar user
>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Logger icon
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> Thank you for your prompt response.
>>
>> If showing an icon creates too many follow on issues – how about making it a
>> data field in an Info box?
>>
>> Whoever wants/needs to see the logger status then configures this box to
>> display on one of the auxiliary box-pages?
>> The box could perhaps show the logger status (on/off) and the time since
>> take off (was recognised).
>> Showing the time gives you confidence that the logger has been recording
>> throughout the flight.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> From: Simon Taylor [mailto:simon.taylor...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:52 PM
>> To: Schoen, Andre (Siemens TS)
>> Cc: xcsoar user
>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Logger icon
>>
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>> The issue is that the current 'red circle' icon must be altered or removed
>> to comply with the user interface guidelines on colour use. A circle of any
>> other colour does not have the same universal association with 'recording'
>> so in order to make it intuitive we are faced with enlarging the icon or
>> removing it. If the icon is removed another means of showing the logger
>> status would be implemented, though it would likely require touchscreen
>> interaction or the use of an infobox (as suggested by George Sanderson).
>>
>> Thanks for registering a trac ticket for the logging issue you mentioned. It
>> is extremely likely that the issue you mention is linked to the PDA locking
>> after a certain amount of time. I must suggest that if you had a device that
>> didn't suffer from this issue you would probably feel more comfortable
>> relying on the automatic logging.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 8 June 2011 10:03, Schoen, Andre (Siemens TS) <andre.sch...@siemens.com>
>> wrote:
>> Dear Simon,
>>
>> I would be in favour of keeping the icon.
>>
>> The SW might be reliable, but I could have forgotten to tick the box to
>> enable the logger (or accidentally unticked).
>> Seeing it blinking there, gives me confidence.
>> I then also know that the logger has not stopped.
>>
>> The small icon is not really taking up much “real estate” on the screen, so
>> I think the downside of having it is negligible.
>>
>>
>> On another related matter (I raised this before, but can’t get into TRAC, so
>> not formally reported):
>> My log stops in flight once in a while.
>> Happened again last week with v6.1 (on WM 6.1, using the X-scale XCSOAR
>> version)
>> It is usually fairly soon after take off.
>> I suspect it is to do with (but not 100% certain) my PDA switching off /
>> locking after a maximum of 15’ (corporate policy/rule on my PDA, can not
>> undo it).
>> Work around so far has been to remember clicking on the screen every couple
>> of minutes, but when you get busy, this is not always practical.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andre
>>
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