Would those CoC prohibit the creation of malware based on DBUS, UnionFS, ConsoleKit, PolicyKit and a few others, using freedesktop.org to load these malware modules? Then I'm all for it.
You folks are really something. Original Message From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 14:00 To: [email protected] Reply To: [email protected] Subject: xdg Digest, Vol 157, Issue 3 Send xdg mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of xdg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Contributor convenant (Philipp A.) 2. Re: Contributor convenant (mdn) 3. Re: XDG_STATE_HOME (Thomas Koch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 12:01:17 +0000 From: "Philipp A." <[email protected]> To: mdn <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Contributor convenant Message-ID: <CAN8d9gnO+8_FJHDYfCiCkOpHCMSGB=izdabu0xqenr4trvn...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" i’m sure they weren’t. neither by those who wrote the contributor covenant, nor by those who committed it here. i see the problems you mentioned, and one more: the CC doesn’t prevent bullying, it just forces bullies to act differently. instead of using hurtful language, they just have to come up with believable accusations against the victim, and the CC will require to treat those alleged perpetrators with extreme prejudice. if anything, this makes bullying more effective: assholes using hurtful language can be called out. assholes who throw around baseless accusations usually can’t, and the CC asks others to support accusers. as long as people are sensible and not sticklers to the rules, this is no issue. but in that case, not using any CC or just laying down some basic rules will be enough as well. best, philipp mdn <[email protected]> schrieb am So., 9. Apr. 2017 um 01:19 Uhr: > Le 09/04/2017 00:01, Albert Astals Cid a écrit : > > El dissabte, 8 d’abril de 2017, a les 21:54:07 CEST, mdn va escriure: > >> Hello, > >> Today I have been informed that the CoC named the "Contributor > >> convenant" has been added to the freedesktop.org wiki. > >> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeOfConduct/ > > > > As a freedesktop project maintainer i find this very sad. > > > > I don't disagree with having a Code of Conduct, but creating one and > forcing > > it without any kind of input from the community is totally *bad* conduct. > You can never make people do anything. > --Marshall B. Rosenberg > > Surely no bad intentions were in mind. > > > > Albert > > > > P.S: If this was discussed somewhere please point me where, it may just > be > > that i'm a bad maintainer and i'm not subscribed to the proper places. > > _______________________________________________ > > xdg mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/attachments/20170409/227c9cfd/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 17:22:48 +0200 From: mdn <[email protected]> To: "Philipp A." <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Contributor convenant Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Le 09/04/2017 14:01, Philipp A. a écrit : > i’m sure they weren’t. neither by those who wrote the contributor > covenant, nor by those who committed it here. > > i see the problems you mentioned, and one more: the CC doesn’t prevent > bullying, it just forces bullies to act differently. Indeed. But it goes further than that. These rules if followed to the letter are what stops people from evolving. By evolving I mean the simple fact of having experience from possible events. It's some sort of Darwinism but of the mind. How can one gain experience if everything can be seen has bad ? How do we strengthen our minds if we constantly shelter ourselves ? > instead of using hurtful language, they just have to come up with believable > accusations > against the victim, and the CC will require to treat those alleged > perpetrators with extreme prejudice. if anything, this makes bullying > more effective: assholes using hurtful language can be called out. > assholes who throw around baseless accusations usually can’t, and the CC > asks others to support accusers. > > as long as people are sensible and not sticklers to the rules, this is > no issue. but in that case, not using any CC or just laying down some > basic rules will be enough as well. Some people will call that common sense. Most of the rules of the CC are already in the laws. And there's a reasons that our ancestors haven't put some of them in it. And even with these laws it isn't stopping people from going over it. There is actually no way to stop people but the one of education and argumentation. Speech must bring more speech, not enforced silence. We have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things that we don't like. We can only live together in that way; if we are to live together and not die together. > > best, philipp > > mdn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > schrieb am So., 9. Apr. 2017 um 01:19 Uhr: > > Le 09/04/2017 00:01, Albert Astals Cid a écrit : > > El dissabte, 8 d’abril de 2017, a les 21:54:07 CEST, mdn va escriure: > >> Hello, > >> Today I have been informed that the CoC named the "Contributor > >> convenant" has been added to the freedesktop.org > <http://freedesktop.org> wiki. > >> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeOfConduct/ > > > > As a freedesktop project maintainer i find this very sad. > > > > I don't disagree with having a Code of Conduct, but creating one > and forcing > > it without any kind of input from the community is totally *bad* > conduct. > You can never make people do anything. > --Marshall B. Rosenberg > > Surely no bad intentions were in mind. > > > > Albert > > > > P.S: If this was discussed somewhere please point me where, it may > just be > > that i'm a bad maintainer and i'm not subscribed to the proper places. > > _______________________________________________ > > xdg mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > Freely BERNARD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/attachments/20170409/5268192e/attachment-0001.sig> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 19:29:39 +0200 From: Thomas Koch <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: XDG_STATE_HOME Message-ID: <1746148.lWzToP5mMT@x121e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The discussion about a STATE dir is at least 8 years old now: https://wiki.debian.org/XDGBaseDirectorySpecification section "Proposal: STATE directory" and linked mail threads in this list. Please, give the world a standard dir in $HOME to save state! I found this thread because stebalien@ had the same complaint on github: "One thing I'm really not happy about is the spec's lack of an XDG_STATE_DIR." https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/3589 Never give up hope. 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