Hi Philipp, On 11 April 2017 at 12:40, Philipp A. <[email protected]> wrote: > Daniel Stone <[email protected]> schrieb am Di., 11. Apr. 2017 um 13:26 > Uhr: >> Constructive feedback on the specific form and wording of the CoC is >> more than welcome. What would be even better is if you're able to >> point to the experiences of other communities, the discussions they've >> had, and where they landed. The exact wording isn't irreversibly set >> in stone, and I'm sure we'll want to be tweaking it over time. What is >> set in stone is that we (the fd.o admins, who unanimously approved >> this change) are committed to this CoC, and will not be turning back >> from it. > > This is great news, as this way, the identified problems with its wording > can be actually used to improve upon it. I was probably too much in the > “software license” mindset, where a layman can’t dare to change the wording > without fucking up. But actual feedback to improve this, based on other > communities’ experiences? Sign me up. > > For one, I’d like to point to the Rust community, which also uses a CoC that > begins similarly to, but is less problematic than the CC: > https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html > > Regarding constructive criticism: The CC’s “Enforcement” paragraph is highly > problematic. Its intent is clearly to foster accountability and prevent > harrassers going unscathed due to being buddies with a mod. But it only > protects the reporter, while nothing protects the (maybe wrongly) accused. I > want to see a more “innocent until proven guilty” mindset reflected in a > CoC. Accusing people shouldn’t be a powerful tool for harrassers, and witch > hunts should be discouraged.
Is the enforcement section your primary problem with the CC, and how specifically (in terms of actual language used - or not used) do you see Rust's CoC as improving on this? Is it the piece where it insists on the CC being both followed and enforced? If so, I personally read that to mean that reports cannot be ignored, and problematic behaviour cannot be waved away. I _don't_ read it as an assumption that every report must result in action being taken against the accused, no matter what. If we provided a tool which allowed anyone to kick anyone else out of a community just by presenting a few magic keywords, we would have utterly failed; I don't think the CC as written has done that. Thanks a lot! Cheers, Daniel _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list [email protected] https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
